Where is the Garden of Eden?

[Fiyero]

Dangriga, Belize

[Surfah]

"Intellectual pondering" was a reference to the Oaks thread. There was no insult here.

I understood the reference, but I think this implicitly hearkens back to another discussion where you're awfully critical of others' beliefs or thoughts that don't necessarily jive with yours. I believe you if you say no insult was meant, but can you not understand how you may have insulted 50% of the pollsters with your post?

[The_Tick]

And my dad is selling his house in Utah to move to JaCo, Mo. "Because son....I have felt the call."

Idiot.

[wuapinmon]

"is" vs "was."

The Garden of Eden is no longer.

Maybe it was in what is now Jackson County, Misery, but it most definitely is not there now.

Either way, I could really not care less about a stupid Garden. Imagine all that food and a naked chick, but you couldn't have sex.

[woot]

I understood the reference, but I think this implicitly hearkens back to another discussion where you're awfully critical of others' beliefs or thoughts that don't necessarily jive with yours. I believe you if you say no insult was meant, but can you not understand how you may have insulted 50% of the pollsters with your post?

You insinuated that my post made some personal attack, since you stated how it didn't jibe with my stated position of finding certain beliefs to be dumb independent of those who believe them. There is nothing inconsistent here.

Believing the earth is 6000 years old is dumb. It is objectively wrong. Believing humans got their start in Missouri is equally dumb and also absolutely falsified by the evidence. That doesn't mean those who hold these beliefs are dumb. It just means they don't mind believing in dumb things, or that they haven't been made aware of how dumb these beliefs are. I don't see how I could be any more emphatic about this.

[Surfah]

You insinuated that my post made some personal attack, since you stated how it didn't jibe with my stated position of finding certain beliefs to be dumb independent of those who believe them. There is nothing inconsistent here.

Believing the earth is 6000 years old is dumb. It is objectively wrong. Believing humans got their start in Missouri is equally dumb and also absolutely falsified by the evidence. That doesn't mean those who hold these beliefs are dumb. It just means they don't mind believing in dumb things. I don't see how I could be any more emphatic about this.

So how many dumb things does one have to believe before you'd qualify them as dumb?

[woot]

So how many dumb things does one have to believe before you'd qualify them as dumb?

I don't see the two as being necessarily related. Dumb people can be indoctrinated to believe smart things and smart people can be indoctrinated to believe dumb things.

[wuapinmon]

Believing the earth is 6000 years old is dumb. It is objectively wrong. Believing humans got their start in Missouri is equally dumb and also absolutely falsified by the evidence. That doesn't mean those who hold these beliefs are dumb. It just means they don't mind believing in dumb things, or that they haven't been made aware of how dumb they are. I don't see how I could be any more emphatic about this.

Yeah, ironic coming from me, I know, but sometimes not everything you're thinking needs to be said. No matter how you frame this, you come off sounding like a pedantic ass.

I won't even get into the actual meaning of 'dumb' either.

[woot]

Yeah, ironic coming from me, I know, but sometimes not everything you're thinking needs to be said. No matter how you frame this, you come off sounding like a pedantic ass.

I won't even get into the actual meaning of 'dumb' either.

I was driven to do so through false accusation. I would not have pressed it otherwise.

Edit: I should emphasize again that I also see education as being far more important than intelligence. I hate to even draw these kinds of intellectual distinctions but am forced to do so because of these silly accusations.

[Surfah]

I was driven to do so through false accusation. I would not have pressed it otherwise.

Edit: I should emphasize again that I also see education as being far more important than intelligence. I hate to even draw these kinds of intellectual distinctions but am forced to do so because of these silly accusations.

I don't think I was accusing you of anything except that sometimes your tone may make people have a hard time understanding how you can call something someone believes as dumb and not reflect negatively on that person is all. And I'll be the first to admit that tone is very difficult to interpret on the interwebs.

Besides I said you may have insulted and I also said I believed you that you meant no offense.

[Moliere]

You insinuated that my post made some personal attack, since you stated how it didn't jibe with my stated position of finding certain beliefs to be dumb independent of those who believe them. There is nothing inconsistent here.

Believing the earth is 6000 years old is dumb. It is objectively wrong. Believing humans got their start in Missouri is equally dumb and also absolutely falsified by the evidence. That doesn't mean those who hold these beliefs are dumb. It just means they don't mind believing in dumb things, or that they haven't been made aware of how dumb they are. I don't see how I could be any more emphatic about this.

On a side note, are there really that many Mormons that believe the earth is 6000 years old? We recently had the creation lesson in EQ and it seemed that most people, if not all, were in agreement that the creation happened over a long period of time, not 6 days. I'm sure there is a thread on this somewhere so maybe I'll do a search....

[Slim]

On a side note, are there really that many Mormons that believe the earth is 6000 years old? We recently had the creation lesson in EQ and it seemed that most people, if not all, were in agreement that the creation happened over a long period of time, not 6 days. I'm sure there is a thread on this somewhere so maybe I'll do a search....

I know my parents do. My dad is one of those who believes that the dinosaurs are remnants from the other planets that God used to create this one.

[woot]

On a side note, are there really that many Mormons that believe the earth is 6000 years old? We recently had the creation lesson in EQ and it seemed that most people, if not all, were in agreement that the creation happened over a long period of time, not 6 days. I'm sure there is a thread on this somewhere so maybe I'll do a search....

There was a thread not too long ago about a poll showing that Mormons are either dead-last or second only to one other in believing in a young earth. It is weird, considering the official "no stance" policy on the question. I assume it has to do with the extreme emphasis on Adam and Eve in the temple and in the new scriptures.

I've fixed the bolded quote to make sure no one misunderstands the unclear referent.

[pellegrino]

Those that voted Missouri, how do you reconcile the evidence that seems somewhat irrefutable that human life evolved in Africa and branched out from there, inhabiting the America's much later than even Europe and Asia?

Is it OK for believing LDS to say the prophet hits on some things and misses on some things?

p.s. I don't want to start a debate on this, as I'm not qualified. I'm just curious what the logic is--whether to reject science, whether there are legitimate counters to the scientific evidence, or some other reason.

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[Moliere]

There was a thread not too long ago about a poll showing that Mormons are either dead-last or second only to one other in believing in a young earth. It is weird, considering the official "no stance" policy on the question. I assume it has to do with the extreme emphasis on Adam and Eve in the temple and in the new scriptures.

I've fixed the bolded quote to make sure no one misunderstands the unclear referent.

That doesn't match up with what I've observed but of course my sample size is very limited so I'd be hard pressed not to take the results of the poll over my own observations. Maybe they only polled mormons who live in Davis County.