Conference open thread

[wuapinmon]

When and how did bon-bons become this gourmet treat reserved for the seeming rich and lazy? Do they even sell them anymore? I can't even remember the last time I have seen them in the freezer aisle of the supermarket. To be honest I don't think I have ever even tried one. Aren't they like bite sized Klondike bars?

Well, it wasn't my term, but I view it as a chauvinistic derision of women.

[Surfah]

You caught me in faulty drafting. In my opinion, no. Perhaps it's 2(a): Once your finish your degree, when to have children is between you, your spouse, and God.

Why does it need to be 2a? In fact I'd revise it to read when to have children is between you, your spouse, and God.

[Surfah]

Well, it wasn't my term, but I view it as a chauvinistic derision of women.

So men can eat all the bon-bons they want?

BTW, I wasn't picking on you. I know it's not your term. It's kind of an old dig though. Late 80's-early 90's? DDD can you confirm? I defer to your pop culture knowledge.

[Moliere]

A mom who dropped out of college, and then has her husband die or divorce her can't do jack shit for earning potential compared to that previously-pampered bon-bon eating college grad.

You probably have a more valid point than me, but that wouldn't be the first time. I just shudder to think of all the people who get degrees and think that if they needed to 20 years down the road they could find a job with that degree. In the mean time they'll just waste away life not learning anything new.

OTOH, a husband who has a stay at home mom and several kids who dies without leaving a substantial life insurance policy is just plain irresponsible. If I died on the way home from work today, my family would be taken care of for quite a while (but not long enough to incentivize my wife to hire a hitman any time soon).

[Moliere]

Well, it wasn't my term, but I view it as a chauvinistic derision of women.

Bon bons is the french word for candy. I had no idea it was some sort of ice cream.

[MarkGrace]

Why?

Again, it's entirely possible I'm reading this wrong, but here's the sequence of posts I followed:

My daughters will hear a constant stream of "finish your education before having babies" from me and my wife.

You're a good man, Dr. Wuap.

My daughters will hear a steady stream of marrying earning potential.

I guess in context I read this as Wuap and Mrs. Funk promoting this idea of encouraging a daughter to have some educational footing before pursuing a family. That a woman can put herself in the position to be a co-provider either by choice or necessity, depending on her choosing, because you never know what circumstances she may face in her life. You seemed to flip it to this notion that a woman's worth or sense of accomplishment is tied to her ability to attract a mate that can provide for her.

But again, I could just be reading this wrong. I don't necessarily completely disagree what you said, but given the set of posts you appeared to be responding to, it seems you shifted the emphasis in that direction. To me, that's just sad. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, I would hope my expectation for her would be a little bit higher than just finding someone to take care of her.

[TripletDaddy]

So men can eat all the bon-bons they want?

BTW, I wasn't picking on you. I know it's not your term. It's kind of an old dig though. Late 80's-early 90's? DDD can you confirm? I defer to your pop culture knowledge.

I've always assumed that they were small chocolates, like the stuff that comes in the boxes of See's Candy.

Bon Bons are Good Good...unless you aren't a huge fan of chunks of chocolate.

It definitely seems to be an antiquated term as you don't see candies marketed as bonbons much these days.

[jay santos]

If I died on the way home from work today, my family would be taken care of for quite a while (but not long enough to incentivize my wife to hire a hitman any time soon).

You have to find that balance. I'm about in the same place. You want to take care of her, but then you don't want to incentivize her.

[Surfah]

I've always assumed that they were small chocolates, like the stuff that comes in the boxes of See's Candy.

Bon Bons are Good Good...unless you aren't a huge fan of chunks of chocolate.

It definitely seems to be an antiquated term as you don't see candies marketed as bonbons much these days.

I know of the small chocolates. But wasn't there a frozen ice cream treat marketed with brand name Bon Bons?

I miss See's Candy. I wish they had them out east. Everytime I'd fly out west I buy a box of nuts and chews and a box of assorted. I also love their toffee pops.

[wuapinmon]

Bon bons is the french word for candy. I had no idea it was some sort of ice cream.

I view "eating bon bons" when describing "unemployed" women as being deriding. It carries the same taint of stereotypically maligned foods when used to describe other demographic groups.

[Surfah]

Again, it's entirely possible I'm reading this wrong, but here's the sequence of posts I followed:







I guess in context I read this as Wuap and Mrs. Funk promoting this idea of encouraging a daughter to have some educational footing before pursuing a family. That a woman can put herself in the position to be a co-provider either by choice or necessity, depending on her choosing, because you never know what circumstances she may face in her life. You seemed to flip it to this notion that a woman's worth or sense of accomplishment is tied to her ability to attract a mate that can provide for her.

But again, I could just be reading this wrong. I don't necessarily completely disagree what you said, but given the set of posts you appeared to be responding to, it seems you shifted the emphasis in that direction. To me, that's just sad. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, I would hope my expectation for her would be a little bit higher than just finding someone to take care of her.

That's what you think of me Gracie? I am hurt.

I ain't raising no golddiggers but I ain't lettin' 'em mess with some broke, broke. (Glee Edit)

[TripletDaddy]

I know of the small chocolates. But wasn't there a frozen ice cream treat marketed with brand name Bon Bons?

I miss See's Candy. I wish they had them out east. Everytime I'd fly out west I buy a box of nuts and chews and a box of assorted. I also love their toffee pops.

Perhaps. I am not sure, though. weak!

Speaking of random brands, remember that candy that you could generally only buy at movie theaters...it was called "Flicks" and came in this shiny cardboard tube, much like the center of a toilet paper roll. There were green tubes and red tubes. It was basically filled with hershey kiss type crap and I never bought them, but I always remember them as part of growing up here in SoCal.

[MarkGrace]

That's what you think of me Gracie? I am hurt.

I ain't raising no golddiggers but I ain't lettin' 'em mess with some broke, broke. (Glee Edit)

No, that's why I qualified from the outset. I guess it was just the course of discussion that threw me off. Like I said, I don't really disagree with your advice, but given that it came immediately on the heels of comments from Wuap and Mrs. Funk, it seemed you were advancing the idea of just marrying someone who can take care of you over their recommendation.

[beefytee]

Why does it need to be 2a? In fact I'd revise it to read when to have children is between you, your spouse, and God.

I'm with you here Surfah.

It's one thing to be in close circles of decisions of a single child, but once they are married, it is time to get out the way.

Sure volunteer advice when asked, but they need to make decisions with they spouse. Bringing in parents often causes trouble and friction. Obviously if there is abuse or other problems, this doesn't apply, but I think it does when deciding when one should have children.

Hopefully you trained them right beforehand.


I have one other point on this. Sometimes God decides without you or your spouse that it is time to have a kid. I always offer that warning in church when people mention that the spirit tells us when to have kids. SOMETIME HE DOESN'T AND THEY COME JUST THE SAME.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That's always the case. The Church camera people LOVE to over-represent the minorities in any setting. Take a look at the conference Ensign, for instance. It's a given that the lone black guy in the priesthood session choir will get 10-20% of the camera shots even though there are 100+ people in the choir.

It's really become quite comedic. It's like the camera people and producers are using their shots to scream: "SEE WE AREN'T ALL JUST WHITE PEOPLE!!!!"

The conference photos in DesNews and the interviews with conference attendees on KSL were comical. Our black brothers and sisters were harassed by photogs all weekend.