Why can't a bishop have 4 or 5 counselors?

[All-American]

Stay-at-home moms need time out of the home and working fathers need time in the home. This isn't about shifting responsibility as much as it's about redistributing it.

Point.

[LA Ute]

You'll feel differently once you're a bishop. Until then, maybe you should just keep your stupid, naive opinions to yourself.

(How did I do, parents? Did I get it right?)

Point taken.

[YOhio]

Point taken.

You've never been a bishop?

[Indy Coug]

You've never been a bishop?

Just when I was beginning to respect LA Ute's perspective...

:anger:

[LA Ute]

You've never been a bishop?

[SteelBlue]

I'll tell you what would happen if a bishop had 4 or 5 counselors; you'd have 2 or 3 more men who weren't home as frequently as their families would like them to be.

[tooblue]

I'll tell you what would happen if a bishop had 4 or 5 counselors; you'd have 2 or more men who weren't home as frequently as their families would like them to be.

Bingo. As a culture we make meetings to make meetings.

[scottie]

Is there something in the CHOI that says these meetings have to take place every week? Or do they occur just because that's how things have been done for so long? What would happen if a bishop went all mavericky and held bishopric/PEC/ward council meetings less frequently?

[Indy Coug]

Is there something in the CHOI that says these meetings have to take place every week? Or do they occur just because that's how things have been done for so long? What would happen if a bishop went all mavericky and held bishopric/PEC/ward council meetings less frequently?

Administratively, I have no idea how you could avoid having bishopric meetings at least once a week. There's just too much going on to avoid that.

Ward council is only once a month, so that doesn't seem too unreasonable.

I've seen PEC held less frequently than weekly with little adverse effects.

[Jarid in Cedar]

People fall into 3 categories:

All
None
Pick and Choose

Church leadership pushes the All category in many regards.

I struggle with those who are in the Pick and Choose category in the sense of I don't understand how they reconcile the inconsistency of their faith.

I would like to meet one of these "All" people. I think the Church as an institution is in the pick and choose category. I don't think there are many I couldn't pretty quick get to say "a prophet doesn't always speak as a prophet" on some issue which is, in my mind, a form of picking and choosing.

All, none or pick and choose what? IF you are talking about which of Joseph Smith's ideas or practices (and by practices you mean something he did at some point) then it is very clear the current leadership is in the pick and choose category. This is easily reconciled with faith on the basis of continuing revelation. You may choose to see intellectual inconsistency in this approach, but that is not a matter of faith and may not even be accurate in any event.

Ok, so first, I need to stop trying to post serious thoughts when I am tired. When I re-read, my post, it was grapevininian in how the typed words reflected my thoughts.

So first. The Church has obviously ignored/altered/dismissed several of the policies, histories,doctrines, and actions of JS and the prophets who followed. So they have picked, chose, or varied doctrine/actions to reflect the current chruch positions.

The all/none/pick and choose options fit how an individual person wishes to interpret the church doctrine as it is presently constituted. The church leadership obviously feels that evey member should fit into the all category. They feel that they have sifted through the past actions/policies/etc to determine what are the correct principles. They express that in sustaining the Church, you are essentially saying you agree/believe that they have done these things under modern revelation/heavenly guided inspiration.

I do still struggle to understand how some members can pick and choose which portions of the doctrine they believe and don't believe. It comes across as "luke-warm" to me, and I can't wrap my brain/faith/understanding on how the heretics operate "comfortably".

[UtahDan]

I do still struggle to understand how some members can pick and choose which portions of the doctrine they believe and don't believe. It comes across as "luke-warm" to me, and I can't wrap my brain/faith/understanding on how the heretics operate "comfortably".

LA, why don't you go ahead and speak to this. You seem pretty comfortable.

[LA Ute]

LA, why don't you go ahead and speak to this. You seem pretty comfortable.

Well, I am a little confused, because Jarid asked how "the heretics operate comfortably." I am sure the heretics club would not have me as a member. If the question is how one "picks and chooses," I am not sure I am the guy to answer that one either. I am pretty orthodox and accept all the doctrines clearly taught by the church in our time. (That takes crazy statements by past GAs recorded in the JD out of the equation for me.) As for historical controversies or changed policies, I have come to terms with those either (a) by learning more about them and reconciling myself to the facts we know, or (b) on faith; usually a little of both.

Nothing too terribly insightful or ground-breaking there. Pretty boring, actually. But you asked.

[UtahDan]

Well, I am a little confused, because Jarid asked how "the heretics operate comfortably." I am sure the heretics club would not have me as a member. If the question is how one "picks and chooses," I am not sure I am the guy to answer that one either. I am pretty orthodox and accept all the doctrines clearly taught by the church in our time. (That takes crazy statements by past GAs recorded in the JD out of the equation for me.) As for historical controversies or changed policies, I have come to terms with those either (a) by learning more about them and reconciling myself to the facts we know, or (b) on faith; usually a little of both.

Nothing too terribly insightful or ground-breaking there. Pretty boring, actually. But you asked.

Whatever man, you are the Bishop of the Heretic West branch. Also, your funny bone is broken.

[LA Ute]

Whatever man, you are the Bishop of the Heretic West branch. Also, your funny bone is broken.

I thought you were asking a straight-up question, you miserable vomitous mass.

By the way, I thought one purpose of religion is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. Who said anyone is supposed to be comfortable?

[UtahDan]

Whatever man, you are the Bishop of the Heretic West branch. Also, your funny bone is broken.

How did this not catch on?