What is more damaging?

[creekster]

Perhaps porn is more common than guys pulling off massive financial scams.

ANd is more likely to affect the family realtionship dynamic across a broader spectrum than the showy but less common scam.

Neither shoudl eb encouraged or ignored, however.

[byu71]

Perhaps porn is more common than guys pulling off massive financial scams.

My point is not what is more common, my point is what causes more damage, looking at Playboys and SI swimsuit or financial scams.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Perhaps porn is more common than guys pulling off massive financial scams.

A massive financial scam is far worse than porn in my opinion, but so is murder and rape and you don't hear very much being said in GC against those things either. Not many people have the ability or disposition to pull off a financial scam while every male is capable of getting porn and many, if not most, wouldn't mind looking at a naked female.

[jay santos]

to people inside the church and even those outside of the church.

Men who sneak looks at Playboy, SI swimsuit and other comparable stuff or men in the church who pull off massive financial scams.

Anyone have a theory why we don't hear more about the sacred duty of being honest in dealing with our fellow men. Seems porn gets more attention.

Maybe it is because we need to protect our youth and our youth aren't in a position to rip people off.

I'm not sure why someone would believe either type damages the church.

[byu71]

I'm not sure why someone would believe either type damages the church.

I think I said people, not church. Of course the more flawed members you have the weaker the body of the church???

[jay santos]

I think I said people, not church. Of course the more flawed members you have the weaker the body of the church???

I don't buy this concept that the fact that a church has sinners in it makes it a bad church. I don't buy the concept that our youth can't know that people in their church are sinners.

[Green Lantern]

I vote for financial scams, since looking at porn isn't damaging to people whose religion doesn't forbid it.

Well, that is kind of a generalization. I know non-religious people whose lives have been damaged because of addiction to porn.

[byu71]

I don't buy this concept that the fact that a church has sinners in it makes it a bad church. I don't buy the concept that our youth can't know that people in their church are sinners.

I dont' buy that concept either. I don't think I have ever in any of my comments anywhere on a board talked as if the church is bad. Heck, I don't even think BYU is bad with all the stuff I am not comfortable with down there.

However, I think the church (defining the church as the members and their progress) does suffer some damage when someone pulls off a major scam. There are members who lose faith. Perhaps they shouldn't, but they do.

That being said, with all the sinning that goes on by members, I still maintain the LDS church is a dang fine church.

[byu71]

Well, that is kind of a generalization. I know non-religious people whose lives have been damaged because of addiction to porn.

For purposes of my theory I put forth, do you define looking at Playboy or SI Swimsuit as an addiction to porn?

[byu71]

Point taken. I will bet speeding is even more prevalent than cheating and porn. Perhaps we should hear more on that subject.

[Green Lantern]

For purposes of my theory I put forth, do you define looking at Playboy or SI Swimsuit as an addiction to porn?

No. And I agree with the sentiment that guys running big financial scams are a greater harm than people looking at porn.

[jay santos]

I dont' buy that concept either. I don't think I have ever in any of my comments anywhere on a board talked as if the church is bad. Heck, I don't even think BYU is bad with all the stuff I am not comfortable with down there.

However, I think the church (defining the church as the members and their progress) does suffer some damage when someone pulls off a major scam. There are members who lose faith. Perhaps they shouldn't, but they do.

That being said, with all the sinning that goes on by members, I still maintain the LDS church is a dang fine church.

That's a far more interesting concept to me than which sin is more serious. The idea that members will lose their faith because another member commits sin. I think I would argue that the faith is misplaced to begin with, so it's better for those people to lose it.

[RobinFinderson]

Well, that is kind of a generalization. I know non-religious people whose lives have been damaged because of addiction to porn.

You are correct. I should correct my previous statement: Porn is only damaging when either one or both members of a partnership THINK that something is wrong with porn. If you don't think there is a problem, then nothing is wrong with it.

[PaloAltoCougar]

You are correct. I should correct my previous statement: Porn is only damaging when either one or both members of a partnership THINK that something is wrong with porn. If you don't think there is a problem, then nothing is wrong with it.

This is true for marital infidelty and spousal abuse (at least of the verbal variety) as well, correct?

[RobinFinderson]

This is true for marital infidelty and spousal abuse (at least of the verbal variety) as well, correct?

Yes! Except it isn't 'infidelity' if it is permitted. Same goes for abuse (whipping, spanking, clamps, etc). Personally, I hate verbal abuse, but can I imagine some people liking language directed at them that I would personally find to be abusive? Stranger things have happened.

If a couple likes something, and it is mutually accepted, there probably won't cause real harm (of the mental anguish sort).