Geneology, I am doing it!

[Uncle Ted]

Translation: the temple in LV is in BFE (bonanza forever east) and it's a 4-5 hour time commitment to do an endowment session.

BTW, that gets an amen from me.

Let's see...

(1) endowment sessions are a huge time commitment.

(2) because of some flaw in the church's record keeping system names get done 5-6 times each on average. (I am still scratching my head on this one.)

(3) a lot of folks, especially the Jewish friends of viking, do not want their ancestors' work done but we somehow still do it anyway. (another head scratcher)

(4) only about 20% of the members hold TRs. Who knows how many those go to the temple regularly.

(5) something like a 100 people die each minute (24x7) on average.

(6) there are currently 136 temples (133 operating).

I am guessing we are not keeping up with just the people dying every day. And why is it names get done 5-6 times again?

[Indy Coug]

And why is it names get done 5-6 times again?

It's really not that hard to understand

1. The Mormon family tree is very small in a lot of instances, so there is a lot of overlap.

2. Members are rank amateurs.

3. Members don't enter in data accurately.

4. Lack of uniformity in data makes it difficult for church to identify duplicate entries

[UtahDan]

Let's see...

(1) endowment sessions are a huge time commitment.

(2) because of some flaw in the church's record keeping system names get done 5-6 times each on average. (I am still scratching my head on this one.)

(3) a lot of folks, especially the Jewish friends of viking, do not want their ancestors' work done but we somehow still do it anyway. (another head scratcher)

(4) only about 20% of the members hold TRs. Who knows how many those go to the temple regularly.

(5) something like a 100 people die each minute (24x7) on average.

(6) there are currently 136 temples (133 operating).

I am guessing we are not keeping up with just the people dying every day. And why is it names get done 5-6 times again?

I have no clue, but I don't think you would have to be cynical to imagine that it is at least possible that they have gone through all the names they have, or pretty close, and know it and rather than tell people not to come to the temple are just letting them do the same names over and over for the benefit the proxies get from it.

[LA Ute]

I have no clue, but I don't think you would have to be cynical to imagine that it is at least possible that they have gone through all the names they have, or pretty close, and know it and rather than tell people not to come to the temple are just letting them do the same names over and over for the benefit the proxies get from it.

Maybe you don't have to be cynical to imagine that, but I think you'd have to be pretty cynical actually to believe that. Step away from the ledge, UD!

[UtahDan]

Maybe you don't have to be cynical to imagine that, but I think you'd have to be pretty cynical actually to believe that. Step away from the ledge, UD!

Oh I'm just whistling in the wind here.

[Uncle Ted]

It's really not that hard to understand

1. The Mormon family tree is very small in a lot of instances, so there is a lot of overlap.

2. Members are rank amateurs.

3. Members don't enter in data accurately.

4. Lack of uniformity in data makes it difficult for church to identify duplicate entries

My point wasn't that hard to understand: Forget the the members' data until they can reasonably prove that it is correct and not a duplicate or just let them do their own family's work themselves. It seems the church would have more than enough names just tapping the death records that are a year or so old (which should be very accurate).

[Uncle Ted]

I have no clue, but I don't think you would have to be cynical to imagine that it is at least possible that they have gone through all the names they have, or pretty close, and know it and rather than tell people not to come to the temple are just letting them do the same names over and over for the benefit the proxies get from it.

But it seems (or I am guessing) that people are dying at faster rate than names are being done in the temple.

It pissing me off to no end when I see huge inefficiencies in the system that can be corrected which negates most, if not all, the benefit this proxy may be getting from it. "Dammit it, Jim, I'm an engineer... not some liberal arts grad."

[mcan]

Can we leave the non-family Jews alone?

Daniel Pearl is the latest prominent Jew to be posthumously baptized

Boston Globe

[Donuthole]

Daniel Pearl is the latest prominent Jew to be posthumously baptized

Boston Globe

If they think its so silly, and if Pearl himself would think its so silly, then what's the big deal? On one hand they're saying it's silly and a laughing matter, and on the other they're saying it's extremely offensive. Well which is it?

I'm not saying it's right, but they are essentially admitting that it's meaningless. If it's meaningless, then what's the big deal?

[mcan]

Daniel Pearl

I can't speak for the Pearls, but maybe after a few more of these articles the general membership will get the hint. Stop baptizing people not related to you. We have the whole millennium for that.

[Donuthole]

I can't speak for the Pearls, but maybe after a few more of these articles the general membership will get the hint. Stop baptizing people not related to you. We have the whole millennium for that.

We are all related, aren't we? Just check out the family history app on FB. Even most of us CUFfers are related to one another. So you probably need a better limitation than mere relation. Just sayin' . . .

[Jeff Lebowski]

I can't speak for the Pearls, but maybe after a few more of these articles the general membership will get the hint. Stop baptizing people not related to you. We have the whole millennium for that.

What kind of person goes around submitting names like this? Very odd.

This has to be causing some real heartburn in SLC. I wonder how they will get a handle on it.

[Uncle Ted]

What kind of person goes around submitting names like this? Very odd.

This has to be causing some real heartburn in SLC. I wonder how they will get a handle on it.

Maybe they could just use the same names over and over again.

Or maybe they could bring back the Law of Adoption and save all this genealogy and temple work for the dead for a time when we have a much better idea who exactly accepted the gospel.

[Viking]

It's really not that hard to understand

1. The Mormon family tree is very small in a lot of instances, so there is a lot of overlap.

2. Members are rank amateurs.

3. Members don't enter in data accurately.

4. Lack of uniformity in data makes it difficult for church to identify duplicate entries

Isn't the real answer that the Church's info systems clearly suck?

[Viking]

I have an idea for you Mormons: you should build an engine that generates names based on commonly known first and surnames at different periods of time and in different geographies and then baptize one of each for every year since, say, 0 A.D. Just be sure to omit Holocaust victims, please.

That should give you plenty of things to do.