John Dehlin is thinking about bringing Mormon Stories back

[old_gregg]

Maybe it is, but at least I take the time to lay out my thoughts and opinions rather than constantly type one-line criticisms with no substance or reasoning behind them. It's no secret that I believe the Church is a positive influence, and in that frame of reference of course I would find it tragic that people are led away from it by disingenuous morons like Dehlin. I think people here know me well enough to know I don't judge people for the choices they make regarding religion, so I have no regrets in stating my opinion the way I did.

I do, however, judge people for constantly mocking others while being too lazy, scared, or just plain dumb to explain why they disagree with their opinions. You are the king of this - always mocking and never offering any opinion of substance. You come across here as a kid who's grown up with privilege, never learned to work, and was allowed to believe the position you were given in life by your parents somehow made you superior to others. Hence, you waltz through life accomplishing very little on your own and mock those who have a different world view because they have had to work to earn what they have. If this does, in fact, describe you, then someday you may set out on your own and learn that life is difficult, full of challenges and risk, and that your arrogant country club perspective was deeply flawed. More likely, however, you'll continue to coast, using connections rather than work to get what you want out of life and you'll continue to look down on others, feeling superior but lacking the intellectual ability to explain why. I could be wrong, and you could be a great guy - just giving you my two cents on how I believe you come across on this board.

This, bro, is what you can call a patronizing post.

[Shaka]

Early on I thought Dehlin was just in it for the money. He played the game perfectly but now his minions have caught on. The carnage is going to be interesting.

[creekster]

And so we see, Cowboy was spot on.

[Northwestcoug]

I am not sure you're right about this, to be honest. I think reasonable people who are able to sift good from ridiculous and prudent from imprudent as they approach their life would never have been beholden to Dehlin at all. Those that were attached to Dehlin financially or emotionally are, IMO, very likely unable to engage in such sifting successfully.

'Beholden' is a loaded term. Are you talking about those who joined his church-like swinging groups, or anyone who listened to his podcasts in the past? Count me (and I assume not a few here) in the latter group. Was I attached emotionally to his work? I guess, if you call listening to his podcasts in the past. But I think I and others in a similar situation can see pretty clearly now.

Might want to ask Moliere his thoughts however. JD probably used to be his patron saint of podcasts!

[old_gregg]

And so we see, Cowboy was spot on.

not you too!

[creekster]

'Beholden' is a loaded term. Are you talking about those who joined his church-like swinging groups, or anyone who listened to his podcasts in the past? Count me (and I assume not a few here) in the latter group. Was I attached emotionally to his work? I guess, if you call listening to his podcasts in the past. But I think I and others in a similar situation can see pretty clearly now.

Might want to ask Moliere his thoughts however. JD probably used to be his patron saint of podcasts!

Listening to his podcasts is not a big deal. I listened to a few, but found him to be tedious more often than interesting. But I never even considered giving him money, nor did it ever occur to me to emulate his world view or to let him lead me anywhere for any purpose. But the people Cowboy is talking about are not like mne nor, I suspect, like you. I think you know what I mean.

[creekster]

not you too!

While I have very often thought you were a jerk in your posts, I never gave much thought to the reasons why becasue, no offense, but you really weren't worth it. BUT YOUR EMOTICON RESPONSE HERE SEEMS TO SUPPORT COWBOY'S VIEWS. SO HE'S EITHER RIGHT, OR YOU PLAYED THE PART TO REINFORCE YOUR DESIRED TROLL PERSONALITY (WHIHC IS STUPID, IMO) or you are not smart enough to see why, which I doubt and whihc would still mean you are a jerk.

Sorry about the all caps. I am not a good typist.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is hilarious.

So what is the creekster-approved response when someone calls you a lazy clueless slacker?


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[Northwestcoug]

Listening to his podcasts is not a big deal. I listened to a few, but found him to be tedious more often than interesting. But I never even considered giving him money, nor did it ever occur to me to emulate his world view or to let him lead me anywhere for any purpose. But the people Cowboy is talking about are not like mne nor, I suspect, like you. I think you know what I mean.

I'll give you that, but just how many people are we talking about? I can't imagine there are more than a relative handful of vocal people who supported him financially or joined his groups, who are now floundering because they followed Dehlin's apostate ways (as per Cowboy). I have to think this group is much smaller than the ones who 'supported' him by listening to him or just agreeing with him.

[creekster]

This is hilarious.

So what is the creekster-approved response when someone calls you a lazy clueless slacker?


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So when I post something like this you say I am calling from the peanut gallery. Is that what you're doing here? It wouldn't matter if it is the same, of course, because hypocrisy is a meaningless criticism. As you have so often taught us.

OG can post whatever he wants, which is what he always does. I don't approve or disapprove on that basis. But he invited my comment, in case you weren't following along.

[creekster]

I'll give you that, but just how many people are we talking about? I can't imagine there are more than a relative handful of vocal people who supported him financially or joined his groups, who are now floundering because they followed Dehlin's apostate ways (as per Cowboy). I have to think this group is much smaller than the ones who 'supported' him by listening to him or just agreeing with him.

I'm sure you're likely right. I have no idea how many we are talking about. But looking at some of the threads of comments might give you an idea, I suppose.

[SeattleUte]

Maybe it is, but at least I take the time to lay out my thoughts and opinions rather than constantly type one-line criticisms with no substance or reasoning behind them. It's no secret that I believe the Church is a positive influence, and in that frame of reference of course I would.

I think Dehlin really does disbelieve the LDS church. I think he's sincere about that.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So when I post something like this you say I am calling from the peanut gallery. Is that what you're doing here? It wouldn't matter if it is the same, of course, because hypocrisy is a meaningless criticism. As you have so often taught us.

OG can post whatever he wants, which is what he always does. I don't approve or disapprove on that basis. But he invited my comment, in case you weren't following along.

You didn't answer my question.

[Northwestcoug]

I'm sure you're likely right. I have no idea how many we are talking about. But looking at some of the threads of comments might give you an idea, I suppose.

Eh, I'm comfortable in my generalization

[creekster]

I think Dehlin really does disbelieve the LDS church. I think he's sincere about that.

When? When he said he was a follower while doing the podcasts? Or when he took a break from the church but refused to withdraw his membership? Or did he believe it when his wife threatened to leave him and he returned to activity? Or perhaps it was when he attended the church court while surreptitiously recording it? He's been all over the place for along time and from afar it looks like he was possibly doing this to make sure he kept the donations flowing from as many people as possible. I think you would see it exactly that way if his final position didn't delight you.