Women never say the prayers in General Conference?

[smokymountainrain]

for the lakers thread:



I am pleased to note that I am not numbered among this list.

You should be proud. OTOH, I am embarrassed and ashamed of myself.

[TripletDaddy]

You should be proud. OTOH, I am embarrassed and ashamed of myself.

you will be even more embarrassed after tonight's game.

[Colly Wolly]

Why do women have to wear veils in the Temple?

[smokymountainrain]

you will be even more embarrassed after tonight's game.

[Clark Addison]

We play basketball on Thursday nights and often have non-members offer the opening prayer. We are a pretty open-minded bunch, though.

[falafel]

We play basketball on Thursday nights and often have non-members offer the opening prayer. We are a pretty open-minded bunch, though.

Are any of them women? Yeah, I thought not. You should be ashamed.

[Moliere]

We play basketball on Thursday nights and often have non-members offer the opening prayer. We are a pretty open-minded bunch, though.

You have an opening prayer for pickup ball? That's like praying over a 3pm snack.

[Goatnapper'96]

I know you're addressing your issues with my m.o., but in this thread, as someone with a wife and two daughters, the church that they (and I) belong to being exclusionary against women praying in GC is troubling to me. It may not be a blip on your radar, but I don't think it can be passed off as an obscure or inflammatory factoid as you call it. Would my wife or daughters ever want to pray in GC? Of course not, but that's beside my point.

You are bothered that they won't be allowed to do something that they won't want to do?

I think the issue is you are bothered that, in your interpretation, women are treated as second-class citizens by the LDS Church. Why not state that and then offer some legitimate concern that reasonable people could share rather than "well they are not allowed to do something that they are not ever going to want to do anyway." I am sure there is something to be legitimately concerned about that your daughters are likely to want to do that that it won't be allowed. I'll bet SeattleUte could provide you some examples of how the LDS Church will be legitimately damaging to your daughters, just ask him....he is here to help!

[creekster]

Not as creepy as kissing the lipless.

I hope this is an inside joke and that it stays there.

[Moliere]

I thought that I remembered women praying in GC, but rather that participating in the pointless back and forth that you all are engaged in, I went out and got some cold, hard facts.

The Ensign (preferred pronunciation: N’sign, not N’sun), looks like it started listing the prayers in 2002. They skipped the September 2007 sessions, but aside from that, I looked at every session and did not see any women in the general sessions. While this obviously doesn't prove anything, it does represent over 100 prayers, so I think it is good evidence.

I was initially excited because in the April 2009 Priesthood session, Shirley Christensen said the benediction. Unfortunately, it turns out Shirley is a man. He also prayed in the Sunday Morning session in April, 2005, so evidently someone likes his prayers.

Also of interest, in the 2 or so years before being called to the Q of the 12, Elders Cook, Christofferson, and Andersen ALL said a prayer in a session of conference. Liberal Mormons will be happy to note that Marlin Jensen said the invocation Sunday Morning in October. So I think that there is a good chance that we will have another Democrat Apostle in the near future. Or possibly an Apostle named Shirley.

Hope this helps.

This post is the continental divide in this thread. Prior to this thread there were several posts where people thought they had remembered women praying in GC. After this thread, there were several posts where people couldn't recall women ever praying in GC.

Funny (not on all levels) related story. On my mission we had just completed a member visit to a family that was not all there. At the end of the visit we ask if we can leave them with a word of prayer. The mom of the family quickly asks one of the kids to say the prayer to which the father butts in quickly and says something to the fact that since he is the priesthood holder in the family he will be the person to make the call as to who says the prayer.

If anyone cares, my daughters are usually the ones that fight over saying the family prayer and my sons couldn't care less.

[Flystripper]

You are bothered that they won't be allowed to do something that they won't want to do?

I think the issue is you are bothered that, in your interpretation, women are treated as second-class citizens by the LDS Church. Why not state that and then offer some legitimate concern that reasonable people could share rather than "well they are not allowed to do something that they are not ever going to want to do anyway." I am sure there is something to be legitimately concerned about that your daughters are likely to want to do that that it won't be allowed. I'll bet SeattleUte could provide you some examples of how the LDS Church will be legitimately damaging to your daughters, just ask him....he is here to help!

Well to be fair, I am sure many LDS women would want to hear a woman pray in GC. Many or maybe even most women would not want to be the one to do it, but I am guessing that they would think that allowing a woman to pray in GC would be a good thing. Just because Scottie's wife and daughters don't want to be the one called to pray, does not mean that the issue should be dismissed.

This prohibition whether it be in policy or tradition is a strange practice and would be a very easy thing to remedy. Honestly, I am surprised that it continues today.

[SuperGabers]

Well to be fair, I am sure many LDS women would want to hear a woman pray in GC. Many or maybe even most women would not want to be the one to do it, but I am guessing that they would think that allowing a woman to pray in GC would be a good thing. Just because Scottie's wife and daughters don't want to be the one called to pray, does not mean that the issue should be dismissed.

This prohibition whether it be in policy or tradition is a strange practice and would be a very easy thing to remedy. Honestly, I am surprised that it continues today.

I am and am not surprised. Our church is slow to catch onto things....

And... If a women is asked to pray in GC, she can always say no.

[falafel]

I hope this is an inside joke and that it stays there.

I don't mind being told what to do. Mine's not a high horse.

[UtahDan]

I knew a boy named shirley years ago. He was not LDS and not from or in Utah. He was stronger thanmost of us, however, so no one gave him crap about it, although we wanted to.

Well my daddy left town when I was three, he didn't much for my ma and me but this old guitar and an empty bottle Surely. Now I don't blame him cause he run and hid, but the meanest thing he ever did, was before he left he went and named me Shirely.

[Goatnapper'96]

Not so. There is an unwritten order of things that is anything but easy to remedy.

cheers.

BUT NOW IT IS WRITTEN!