Women never say the prayers in General Conference?

[scottie]

That's a complete misrepresentation of my "argument".

The point I'm making is that scottie will endeavor to frame any issue in such a way to take a shot at a shortcoming of the church. And if perchance someone was to provide evidence to the contrary about the GC Prayer Manifesto, this would simply be used in turn by scottie to spawn some new gripe because he's going to keep moving that target.

Despite what you think, that's not my style; I think I'm very mellow in my LDS Church gripes.

[SeattleUte]

Despite what you think, that's not my style; I think I'm very mellow in my LDS Church gripes.

I agree. Scottie's effectiveness in airing any gripes lies in an understated socratic approach (hey, I'm just askin'). His thread starters are masterful; he's the Randy Johnson of thread starters. That's what pisses Indy off. Scottie wins; Indy loses.

[creekster]

Indy's expletive was more offensive than scottie's, especially since it came in a thread about LDS oppression of women:



Why were you only offended by scottie's?

verb vs noun.

it was a comparison. I didnt say offended, I said annoyed and I said more annoyed. Why are you in such a hurry to stir things up like this? Rather than deal with the issue you revel in trying to create drama where none need exist. Sometimes this works well, but someitmes you shoudl give it a rest.

I take it your imaginings havent borne much fruit?

[Non Sequitur]

That's a complete misrepresentation of my "argument".

The point I'm making is that scottie will endeavor to frame any issue in such a way to take a shot at a shortcoming of the church. And if perchance someone was to provide evidence to the contrary about the GC Prayer Manifesto, this would simply be used in turn by scottie to spawn some new gripe because he's going to keep moving that target.

I can't believe that you're the one complaining about Scottie being predictable. Anyone who has been on this board more than a week could have scripted your response to Scottie.

[Goatnapper'96]

Despite what you think, that's not my style; I think I'm very mellow in my LDS Church gripes.

Your approach to the LDS Church is similar to Chinese Water Torture. As mellow as a drop of water but very doggedly consistent. This is not a call for you to change so take no offense and I wish you luck in you goal to make sense of it all. I had an aunt from Carrey who was quite a tomboy, her daughter was a tomboy but her sons ended up batting for the Utes...is it the water or all that crap coming from the center of the Universe from all those Hollywood elite out of the People's Republic of Blaine County?

[SeattleUte]

verb vs noun.

it was a comparison. I didnt say offended, I said annoyed and I said more annoyed. Why are you in such a hurry to stir things up like this? Rather than deal with the issue you revel in trying to create drama where none need exist. Sometimes this works well, but someitmes you shoudl give it a rest.

I take it your imaginings havent borne much fruit?

No, it's Indy who started this rather than address the merits. He attacked scottie personally rather than address the merits.

[Indy Coug]

I can't believe that you're the one complaining about Scottie being predictable. Anyone who has been on this board more than a week could have scripted your response to Scottie.

scottie's predictability is not what I'm complaining about.

[Goatnapper'96]

I can't believe that you're the one complaining about Scottie being predictable. Anyone who has been on this board more than a week could have scripted your response to Scottie.

I am offended by two types of people...People who are predictable and people who pooh-pooh the fine art of augmentation surgery!

[Indy Coug]

No, it's Indy who started this rather than address the merits. He attacked scottie personally rather than address the merits.

What constitutes a personal attack? I certainly have taken issue with his posting content, but I don't believe I have actually called him names.

[Tone Loc]

Is it just me, or has this board seen this thread in some form about a billion times.

Someone complaining about some really small detail of the LDS church (in this case Scottie).

Indycoug responding in a 'you have got to be kidding' manner.

Seattleute piling on like a ravenous wolf.

BYU71 somehow tying it in to being a 'true' fan and scheduling weak opponents.

Tripletdaddy defending free speech on the board and being yet again dissapointed in this new revelation. Yet, still his great testimony will get him through.

Goatnappers obligatory response concerning boobs.

Is this what hell will be like, a neverending argument which has to be carried out even though we know everyones stance already?

[Clark Addison]

I thought that I remembered women praying in GC, but rather that participating in the pointless back and forth that you all are engaged in, I went out and got some cold, hard facts.

The Ensign (preferred pronunciation: N’sign, not N’sun), looks like it started listing the prayers in 2002. They skipped the September 2007 sessions, but aside from that, I looked at every session and did not see any women in the general sessions. While this obviously doesn't prove anything, it does represent over 100 prayers, so I think it is good evidence.

I was initially excited because in the April 2009 Priesthood session, Shirley Christensen said the benediction. Unfortunately, it turns out Shirley is a man. He also prayed in the Sunday Morning session in April, 2005, so evidently someone likes his prayers.

Also of interest, in the 2 or so years before being called to the Q of the 12, Elders Cook, Christofferson, and Andersen ALL said a prayer in a session of conference. Liberal Mormons will be happy to note that Marlin Jensen said the invocation Sunday Morning in October. So I think that there is a good chance that we will have another Democrat Apostle in the near future. Or possibly an Apostle named Shirley.

Hope this helps.

[SeattleUte]

Someone complaining about some really small detail of the LDS church (in this case Scottie).

Indycoug responding in a 'you have got to be kidding' manner.

Seattleute piling on like a ravenous wolf.

BYU71 somehow tying it in to being a 'true' fan and scheduling weak opponents.

Tripletdaddy defending free speech on the board and being yet again dissapointed in this new revelation. Yet, still his great testimony will get him through.

Goatnappers obligatory response concerning boobs.

Is this what hell will be like, a neverending argument which has to be carried out even though we know everyones stance already?

You seem to be an expert on this board for a four post child. I don't trust you.

[creekster]

No, it's Indy who started this rather than address the merits. He attacked scottie personally rather than address the merits.

Look, you know exactly what I am talking abotu and your reposne here is just you doing more of the same.

[creekster]

I thought that I remembered women praying in GC, but rather that participating in the pointless back and forth that you all are engaged in, I went out and got some cold, hard facts.

The Ensign (preferred pronunciation: N’sign, not N’sun), looks like it started listing the prayers in 2002. They skipped the September 2007 sessions, but aside from that, I looked at every session and did not see any women in the general sessions. While this obviously doesn't prove anything, it does represent over 100 prayers, so I think it is good evidence.

I was initially excited because in the April 2009 Priesthood session, Shirley Christensen said the benediction. Unfortunately, it turns out Shirley is a man. He also prayed in the Sunday Morning session in April, 2005, so evidently someone likes his prayers.

Also of interest, in the 2 or so years before being called to the Q of the 12, Elders Cook, Christofferson, and Andersen ALL said a prayer in a session of conference. Liberal Mormons will be happy to note that Marlin Jensen said the invocation Sunday Morning in October. So I think that there is a good chance that we will have another Democrat Apostle in the near future. Or possibly an Apostle named Shirley.

Hope this helps.

Facts? You think we want facts?

[Clark Addison]

Scottie definitely has some sort of powerful thread starting juju. In the time I crafted my response to this, over 20 people responded. Who knew that praying women would strike such a nerve.