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    (No offense to active Mormons; I am eboldened by the beer thread, and am trying to get landpoke more active.)

    For me there is red wine, single malt scotch, vodka, champagne at discretely defined times, and little else. A few rules of thumb: I like wine and spirits accompanying food, and at celebratory moments, even extremely quiet and subtle celebratory moments. Alcohol is usually not a good thing as a stress or sadness releiver. Avoid drunkennesss. The initial onset of buzz is more pleasurable (my body is pretty good at indicating the bright line). Don't drink if you are in trial or doing surgery or playing organized sports or operating heavy machinery, even if it's not until the next day.

    Except occasionally sangria in summer with spicy food (almost no one makes a sangria, and fewer still do it right), I virtually never drink mixed drinks. I like the taste of wine and spirits, if the brand is good, especially with food. Thus, another rule of thumb, this one crucial: drink a good enough quality wine or spirit that you don't feel you have to mix it with juices or sweet drinks. This is one part of life where upgrading is definitely worth the money. It's better even to scrimp on cheese, steak or coffee. Avoid blended scotches like poison except maybe Johnny Walker black. Never add ice to a good single malt scotch.

    I think Balvenie and Macallan are the best values in single malt scotch, especially the 1.75 litre Macallan. But it's always fun to experiment with a new scotch. I like Chopin and Kettle One vodka, nothing less. An icy cold vodka martini (shaken and no vermouth!) is a great wind down tool after an intense and rewarding day, and a great pre-dinner cocktail, maybe with appetizers. The dilemma is that scotch is the perfect after dinner drink, and mixing vodka and scotch in your stomach is not a good thing. Vodka and then wine or wine and then scotch is fine. Maybe in part because vodka is mixed with water in varying degrees in a martini, I find martinis wildly divergent in how they affect me. Sometimes or usually one is enough; sometimes it hardly has an effect. Food intake and sleep quotient are also factors.

    I love the idea of cognac. It's like scotch but distilled champagne instead of distilled beer. But I like the taste of scotch a lot better. I blame myself.

    Yes, I know, martini snobs prefer a high end gin martini. But I remember Tolstoy and Dostoevsky when I drink vodka, and for me smooth is always preferable to complexity. Yes, I know, I'm a bumpkin.

    I am somewhat romanced by high end bourbons, but notice that even bourbon lovers usually put in ice. Speaks volumes. It's a very sweet, noisy drink. Smooth single malt scotch is way better. But if your bar doesn't have good scotches or vodkas (this happens a lot at big gatherings) drink Jack Daniels (by all means with ice) and/or red wine.
    Last edited by SeattleUte; 12-31-2011, 09:43 AM.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    I love a good bourbon to accompany a good cigar. I'll drink it neat with a splash of water. Good stuff.

    And JD is not bourbon.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
      I love a good bourbon to accompany a good cigar. I'll drink it neat with a splash of water. Good stuff.

      And JD is not bourbon.
      Yes, JD is sourmash; it's all the same to me. I think it depends on where it's made, doesn't it? JD is a mainstay at big event bars where the spirits are low grade. It's an adequate default. Actually, I know many people (mostly men) who can afford to drink whatever they choose and JD is their drink of choice. It's a very manly drink.
      Last edited by SeattleUte; 12-31-2011, 09:44 AM.
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      • #4
        I always get a kick out of the extreme insecurity of booze drinkers. It seems like the first consideration is whether it is sufficiently manly, and then you pick your favorite from the remnants.

        I don't drink a lot of booze, and when I do it's mostly gin or whiskey, but why is it odd that I have had several drinks that featured fruit and/or ice cream and enjoyed every one?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
          Yes, JD is sourmash; it's all the same to me. I think it depends on where it's made, doesn't it? JD is a mainstay at big event bars where the spirits are low grade. It's an adequate default. Actually, I know many people (mostly men) who can afford to drink whatever they choose and JD is their drink of choice. It's a very manly drink.
          Yeah. It's a location thing. Only whiskeys distilled in Bourbon county Kentucky can legally be called bourbon. Most bourbon in bars is bad just like tequila and scotch. As for bourbon, Maker's Mark is probably the best you'll find at bars. Speaking of spirits and location.,good tequila is so sippable its ridiculous. Milagros anejo is fantastic.

          I can't justify spending $200+ on the good stuff, so these are reserved for special occasions and only one glass. But what a glass!
          Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
          - Howard Aiken

          Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
          - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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          • #6
            Originally posted by woot View Post
            I always get a kick out of the extreme insecurity of booze drinkers. It seems like the first consideration is whether it is sufficiently manly, and then you pick your favorite from the remnants.

            I don't drink a lot of booze, and when I do it's mostly gin or whiskey, but why is it odd that I have had several drinks that featured fruit and/or ice cream and enjoyed every one?
            I agree. If it tastes good to me, I don't give an f* what people think when I enjoy a drink.

            I love mojitos.
            Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
            - Howard Aiken

            Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
            - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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            • #7
              The current run of Miller Lite ads are especially hilarious. They're equating drinking any other light beer to squealing with fright on a rock climbing wall or asking your boyfriends to accompany you to the bathroom. In reality, Miller Lite is what pops in my head when I think of the most watery, tasteless piss beer on the planet. In any case, why are they extolling the virtues of their beer having "more taste"? If you care about taste you're not drinking an American light lager.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                Yeah. It's a location thing. Only whiskeys distilled in Bourbon county Kentucky can legally be called bourbon. Most bourbon in bars is bad just like tequila and scotch. As for bourbon, Maker's Mark is probably the best you'll find at bars. Speaking of spirits and location.,good tequila is so sippable its ridiculous. Milagros anejo is fantastic.

                I can't justify spending $200+ on the good stuff, so these are reserved for special occasions and only one glass. But what a glass!
                A good bottle of scotch is only about $50 for a fifth. Glen Livett is about 40 and it's fine.

                A salutary benefit of avoiding the sweeteners is the sugar is gone, matabolized into alcohol. Well-adjusted people drink a very small amount of alcohol compared to the tumblers full of sugary drinks and juices people drink.
                When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                --Jonathan Swift

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by woot View Post
                  I always get a kick out of the extreme insecurity of booze drinkers. It seems like the first consideration is whether it is sufficiently manly, and then you pick your favorite from the remnants.

                  I don't drink a lot of booze, and when I do it's mostly gin or whiskey, but why is it odd that I have had several drinks that featured fruit and/or ice cream and enjoyed every one?
                  It's like why kids strongly prefer bland foods like macaroni and unaged cheese and sweets Like bleu cheese and the best literature wine and spirits are an acquired taste partly related to experience, a maturing of tastes, repetition, and education.
                  When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                  --Jonathan Swift

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                    It's like why kids strongly prefer bland foods like macaroni and unaged cheese and sweets Like bleu cheese and the best literature wine and spirits are an acquired taste partly related to experience, a maturing of tastes, repetition, and education.
                    Yup, it is an acquired taste.

                    "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

                    "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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                    • #11
                      DC, that is uncalled for.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                        It's like why kids strongly prefer bland foods like macaroni and unaged cheese and sweets Like bleu cheese and the best literature wine and spirits are an acquired taste partly related to experience, a maturing of tastes, repetition, and education.
                        I'm aware, but don't education and maturity also breed an appreciation of variety, a security with oneself, and an ability to be the arbiter of one's one feelings and desires? An ability to appreciate the best doesn't suddenly mean that you're gay or a woman for not requiring the best, or for appreciating variety. What a bore it must be to ensure a macho appearance regardless of one's mood.

                        I enjoy ice cream and fruit and candy and junk food (and probably eat too much of them). I also enjoy fine wine and spirits, generally drink the finest of coffees, and love aged and pungent cheeses and most bitter chocolates. I'm not so immature or insecure that I regard image as more important than my moment-to-moment tastes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
                          Yup, it is an acquired taste.

                          What does that picture represent?

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                          • #14
                            I'm not big on spirits; my body is not made for them for whatever reason. I enjoy a 12 yr Macallan maybe every other month and a 20 yr on special occasions. My grandfather drank scotch every night (Macallan) and my earliest memory is sitting on his lap, the clink of two ice cubes in his scotch in his right hand, his left hand extended towards the TV, showing me the old school stock ticker on the evening news, explaining what a stock was. I drink scotch with two cubes of ice and toast his memory every time.

                            When guests visit Brazil, I'll drink an occasional high quality cachaça, but not more than a small shot.

                            I'm a major oenophile. I drink one glass of red wine every night, primarily for health purposes but also because I love the taste of a great red with food.

                            Due to geography, we get a lot of Malbecs from Argentina, but I get tired of Malbec fairly quickly.

                            Clueless is a big montepulciano fan because she loves it paired with great pasta, which is a common meal for us. She's a Riesling fanatic, which I've come to appreciate but I avoid whites as there's no real health benefit such as comes from a red.

                            I love Sherwin Family Estates cabs (2007 is fine). I can drink that every night.

                            I enjoy Setubal wines from Portugal as well when I really want a light finish. Periquita is a not the highest quality but gets the job done and at a great price.

                            On birthdays, we open one of the Château Lafite-Rothschilds, most recently a 2005, which was simply amazing.

                            Aside from high school and freshman year at BYU, I've only been legitimately drunk a few times in my life (and a few times, embarrassingly sauntered here and wrote some regrettable things). The simple, warm buzz of a glass of wine cannot be replicated.

                            I do not use any banned substances but from my teenage years, know that marijuana is far less harmful than even the most basic of alcoholic beverages.
                            Last edited by Viking; 12-31-2011, 12:08 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by woot View Post
                              I always get a kick out of the extreme insecurity of booze drinkers. It seems like the first consideration is whether it is sufficiently manly, and then you pick your favorite from the remnants.

                              I don't drink a lot of booze, and when I do it's mostly gin or whiskey, but why is it odd that I have had several drinks that featured fruit and/or ice cream and enjoyed every one?
                              Man, the Cayman Islands were far more enjoyable sitting on the beach, sipping a strawberry daiquiri. Nothing could be more girly. And it was fantastic.

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