The HBO Original Programming Thread

[Northwestcoug]

Can we also include Showtime? My son tells me I need to watch Your Honor. Anybody see it?

I heard good things about it also. But before I shell out money to binge watch it, I need to know how much nudity there is.

[SeattleUte]

Sorry, I thought the show was trying to prove that Allen molested Dylan.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Allen and Soon Yi went to Knicks games together and did other things for a long time. They didn't hide the fact that she went to his apartment not infrequently. That busybody porters or whatever saw them go in and out together isn't proof.

It was sworn testimony, under oath in court. Soon Yi and Allen went to his apartment many times and the maid would almost always find empty condom wrappers the next morning.

I am not sure why you would find this hard to believe. Allen was having sex with another teenager at about the same time.

Still, what does this have to do with the issue at hand? Allen has had sex with a HS girl, and dramatized this in his film Manhattan. Ergo, he molested Dylan when she was 7 and in a house full of Mia's family and friends while Allen was there for a visitation negotiated by the lawyers?

For starters, I mentioned it because I was reporting on E2 and 80% of the episode was about the Soon Yi affair. When it comes to the greek tragedy of Allen vs Farrow, it would be ridiculous to not cover the affair. It certainly isn't proof that he molested Dylan but it speaks to his character and judgment. And it certainly is a huge factor in their history/relationship/split.

Yes, family and friends were there and they had been told not to let Allen be alone with Dylan and for an extended period of time nobody could find them because he had taken her to the attic.

[SeattleUte]

Watched the second episode of Allen vs. Farrow last night. Some interesting tidbits:

1. Soon Yi had never dated or kissed a boy prior to having sex with Allen.
2. Strong evidence (testimony from apartment building staff, etc) that Allen was taking Soon Yi to his apartment for sex while she was still in HS. Consistent with the affair he had with another teenager near the same time.
3. After getting caught, both Soon Yi and Allen begged Mia for forgiveness for several months and swore it would never happen again. Allen did everything he could to prevent the information from going public. But a few months later, Allen picked up Soon Yi from a summer camp and restarted the affair.
4. Allen's movies feature a surprisingly large number of plots with an older man having an affair with a teenage girl (Manhattan being the most well known of course). In almost all cases, the older male (often played by Allen) appears to be a reluctant partner in the affair that is driven largely by an eager, voracious young girl. Perusal of Allen's memoirs that include dozens of un-filmed scripts show that he was obsessed with this young girl theme.
5. Quite a bit of circumstantial evidence surrounding the incident with Dylan.

Allen and Soon Yi went to Knicks games together and did other things for a long time. They didn't hide the fact that she went to his apartment not infrequently. That busybody porters or whatever saw them go in and out together isn't proof.

Still, what does this have to do with the issue at hand? Allen has had sex with a HS girl, and dramatized this in his film Manhattan. Ergo, he molested Dylan when she was 7 and in a house full of Mia's family and friends while Allen was there for a visitation negotiated by the lawyers?

[clackamascoug]

Can we also include Showtime? My son tells me I need to watch Your Honor. Anybody see it?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Watched the second episode of Allen vs. Farrow last night. Some interesting tidbits:

1. Soon Yi had never dated or kissed a boy prior to having sex with Allen.
2. Strong evidence (testimony from apartment building staff, etc) that Allen was taking Soon Yi to his apartment for sex while she was still in HS. Consistent with the affair he had with another teenager near the same time.
3. After getting caught, both Soon Yi and Allen begged Mia for forgiveness for several months and swore it would never happen again. Allen did everything he could to prevent the information from going public. But a few months later, Allen picked up Soon Yi from a summer camp and restarted the affair.
4. Allen's movies feature a surprisingly large number of plots with an older man having an affair with a teenage girl (Manhattan being the most well known of course). In almost all cases, the older male (often played by Allen) appears to be a reluctant partner in the affair that is driven largely by an eager, voracious young girl. Perusal of Allen's memoirs that include dozens of un-filmed scripts show that he was obsessed with this young girl theme.
5. Quite a bit of circumstantial evidence surrounding the incident with Dylan.

[falafel]

really? I stopped at the third episode. Do I have your word it gets better?

Yes.

[Northwestcoug]

I finished Lovecraft County, btw. It was really good, if anyone cares.

really? I stopped at the third episode. Do I have your word it gets better?

[tooblue]

Here comes a third well-fed white guy to set numbers one and two straight!

We are all well fed

[falafel]

Here comes a third well-fed white guy to set numbers one and two straight!

[Commando]

I like Woody Allen movies.

[tooblue]

Even better. If only that were the world we live in.

Likewise, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.

So, we have a well-fed middle aged white guy calling out another well-fed middle aged white guy for being a well-fed middle aged white guy who has taken a morally authoritative stance that runs contrary to the first well-fed middle age white guy's morally authoritative stance in defence of Woody Allen ... ... Sounds like the plot of a movie. But not one Woody Allen could direct, least of all because he is massively overrated as a film maker.

To be clear, this is an issue of power (power dynamics):

"But there are some things almost all survivors want, Bedera said. "They want space from their perpetrator and they want their perpetrators to change their behavior so they cannot do this again easily, and if they're unwilling to change, they want them stripped of power."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...nt/6800198002/

[falafel]

I finished Lovecraft County, btw. It was really good, if anyone cares.

[SeattleUte]

While that may be true, what is even more true is that we can judge an artist’s art by the content of his work and his character by what we perceive to be the content of his character.

Even better. If only that were the world we live in.

Likewise, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.

[Donuthole]

I think it’s more true that we can judge an artist’s character by the content of his work, than that we ought to judge his art by what we perceive to be the content of his character.

While that may be true, what is even more true is that we can judge an artist’s art by the content of his work and his character by what we perceive to be the content of his character.