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  • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post

    I read this. Devoured it is more like it. Thanks for reminding me of it.

    Diop's second novel is a perfect novel. Easier to accomplish if the novel's 150 pages long, but still a major achievement. An instant classic. So often the novels that win awards are overrated. This one is most emphatically not.

    It has everything. A stunning opening, authentic voice, dark dark humor, spectacular imagery, weighty themes, plot, an ending that leaves you puzzling and wanting to reread the book but actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it. A great French novel.
    Spoiler for Spoiler for ending:
    Curious what your take was on the ending. Like you, it left me wanting to start over immediately. I have a few theories running through my head, but the one I keep returning to is that they were one person all along. Obviously this is a bit absurd, and upon re-skimming is problematic on a concrete level, but abstractly and thematically it could make sense. I plan to read it again this week, wanted to give it time to bounce around in my head. Just a fantastic novel all around. I'd like to say more but work calls.

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    • Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post

      Spoiler for Spoiler for ending:
      Curious what your take was on the ending. Like you, it left me wanting to start over immediately. I have a few theories running through my head, but the one I keep returning to is that they were one person all along. Obviously this is a bit absurd, and upon re-skimming is problematic on a concrete level, but abstractly and thematically it could make sense. I plan to read it again this week, wanted to give it time to bounce around in my head. Just a fantastic novel all around. I'd like to say more but work calls.
      I sent you a private message. Don't know how to use the spoiler button.
      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

      --Jonathan Swift

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      • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
        Just finished Boys In the Boat. Enjoyed it, though it was a bit lighter on WWII-Nazi history than I expected it to be. Still, an amazing story. Joe Rantz's childhood was so effed up. Nearly unbelievable what he overcame and how he survived (and eventually thrived).
        I'm finally listening to the audio book of this one. Pretty interesting so far.
        "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
        - Goatnapper'96

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        • Originally posted by Pelado View Post

          I'm finally listening to the audio book of this one. Pretty interesting so far.
          It's a great book. I've listened to it 3x now. I cried the first time, and misted up the other two.

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          • Having loved 'The Broken Earth' trilogy, I was about to buy another NK Jemisin book. But I decided to ask my daughter's friend's recommendation, who is a much huger fantasy nerd than I am. He recommended 'The Library at Mount Char', by Scott Hawkins. He's a computer engineer who has experience in technical writing, but this was his first novel. I thought it was great. It had a 'The Stand' kind of vibe to it, at about a third of the length. Interesting characters and a very original plot. Some scenes of graphic violence and disturbing stories, but nothing worse that you'd read from a King novel. Very satisfying ending. People have asked for a sequel but he's already ruled that out. I'm waiting to see what his next novel is.

            Now on to 'The Three Body Problem', another of the nerd's recommendations.
            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
            - SeattleUte

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            • I enjoyed 'Three Body Problem'. Not a sci fan per se but the story is done very well. The physics is out of my comfort zone but you don't need a great understanding to enjoy the book. It's actually not a bad stand alone book but I'll try the second in the trilogy and see where I'm at.
              "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
              "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
              - SeattleUte

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              • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                I enjoyed 'Three Body Problem'. Not a sci fan per se but the story is done very well. The physics is out of my comfort zone but you don't need a great understanding to enjoy the book. It's actually not a bad stand alone book but I'll try the second in the trilogy and see where I'm at.
                I liked the first, but got bored with the second and never finished. I just stopped caring.

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                • Originally posted by BigPiney View Post

                  I liked the first, but got bored with the second and never finished. I just stopped caring.
                  Crap. You could say things are getting serious with my daughter and her friend who recommended it to me, so I might be forced to read it.
                  "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                  "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                  - SeattleUte

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                  • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post



                    I recently finished James Joyce's Ulysses. Reminded me of reading the Old Testament. Stretches of staggering beauty and depth and exoticism. Much of it a mind numbing slog. Some of it impossible to understand try as I might. It should probably be read like scripture. That's how John E. Woods, the translator of Thomas Mann's Joseph and His Brothers, recommends that book be read (I have read it that way but never read all of it). Absolutely essential to get the most out of Ulysses: Read alongside it one of those book-length synopses of the novel.

                    About halfway through Ulysses I started "The Most Dangerous Book" by Kevin Birmingham, a biography of Ulysses the novel, which is a masterpiece in its own right. Also a wonderful, very literary history of a time in our history that was very illiberal. It took over 10 years for Ulysses to gain publication in our country because customs officials etc. deemed it "obscene." Not even a court, but back then there were 5-10 year prison terms for publishing "obscenity," so disincentives to publishing were massive. Amazing that now porn is protected by the First Amendment. Ulysses is important like 1984 or Uncle Tom's Cabin--in part because of the historical context in which it appeared and how its very existence advanced liberalism.

                    Ulysses is lusty, sensual, even pornographic in parts. But oddly not arousing at all, even though the writing is terrific.

                    Presently I have no desire to read Ulysses again. But I'm nearly through rereading Moby Dick, and getting a ton out of it. I'm convinced that rereading great books is not just worth it but sometimes essential.

                    .
                    I heard a speaker once talk how a Brittish sailor was marooned on some island for a week with only Ulysses and finnegan's wake and how those books made him want to kill himself more than anything.
                    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                    • Anyone read epics /series that you can recommend

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                      • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                        Anyone read epics /series that you can recommend
                        I just read "The Last Kingdom" series. I really enjoyed it. 13 books, but really fun. Historical fiction.

                        The Knightsbridge series by Ken Follett was great as well.

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                        • Reading "The Institute" by Stephen King. He is so good at children protagonists.
                          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                          Dig your own grave, and save!

                          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                            Reading "The Institute" by Stephen King. He is so good at children protagonists.
                            I really like that one. But I am a sucker for Stephen King. He is so readable for me.

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                            • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                              I just finished this book. https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780...er-liberalism/

                              An intellectual history of the radical right. I picked it up because Ezra Klein recommended it in an excellent essay. It's actually unputdownable. The premise of all their arguments is undeniable. The vital importance of culture. It is the very means by which we interact with the world. Yet the radical right thinkers all want culture to be immutable and lament its plasticity. In this sense, the radical right and left share identity politics values.
                              I'm with you SU. This is a really good book, and probably an important book. My only complaint is I want a cultural history of these movements by the author as well.

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                              • Originally posted by pelagius View Post

                                I'm with you SU. This is a really good book, and probably an important book. My only complaint is I want a cultural history of these movements by the author as well.
                                Added to my Audible queue
                                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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