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I'd much rather have an Aptera. I think they get 300 mpg and are supposed to sell for 30K.
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problem is the only place you can buy an aptera is california.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostI'd much rather have an Aptera. I think they get 300 mpg and are supposed to sell for 30K.
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Aptera meet SUV..........
No thanks, not now anyway, life is too short as it is.Let's get on with the gettin' on....Comment
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From what I understand GM is also working on a timing charger so the volt charges at night when electricity is the cheapest."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
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I tried to talk Max Power from CB not to buy the hybrid Civic over a conventional Civic. After the tax credit, the guy spent probably about $4,400.00 more on the hybrid. This was around May 2008 and I told him that gas prices were not going to remain at the $4.25 level.Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
The EPA rating on the conventional Civic is 29 and it's 42 for the hybrid. At current gas prices, that guy's going to have to drive that car for at least 150k miles to recoup the additional cost of the hybrid. I'd hate to think about what condition the hybrid batteries will be in after 150k miles.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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Some engineers in the Bay Area have rigged up some Priuses with lithium ion batteries and plug in capability. I think they're pulling in well over 100 mpg. Toyota is still afraid to put lithium ion batteries in their hybrids because the batteries are still too unstable. The engineers disagree with Toyota, but they're not the ones who would be subjecting themselves to Ford Pinto levels of litigation.
Toyota is eventually going to rig up their hybrids with stable lithium ion batteries and give them plug in capabilities. Unless the Volt can get rid of the 80 mile round trip between plug-ins, Toyota is going to beat GM again.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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What's 40 grand to one strapped with cash such as yourself?
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TheChevyChevrolet Volt is not clean enough for California...
Yet another "Government Motors" fail.California's EV buyers had expected the Volt to qualify instead for a reduced rebate of roughly $3,000, says EV advocate Chelsea Sexton.
But that hope was quashed when the Volt didn't qualify as an Advanced Technology Partial Zero-Emissions Vehicle (AT-PZEV), a specific category of clean vehicle in the California's complicated taxonomy of emissions classes.
In the eyes of California regulators, the plug-in 2011 Chevrolet Volt is no cleaner than the 2011 Chevrolet Cruze compact--despite its ability to run solely on grid power for up to 40 miles, including at freeway speeds."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostBy now I am sure everyone has heard of the new Chevy Volt, the new GM plug-in hybrid that is scheduled for release next year. GM is claiming that it has been tested and achieves fuel economy of 230 mpg. The predicted sticker will be around $40K.
EPA has yet to test, but that is supposed to take place this year. Highway mpg would obviously be lower.
This seems like a big risk for GM.
1. In this economy, are people wanting to spend $40K....for a GM?
2. Many critics feel that GM is off on its math....that the car cannot possibly achieve this type of fuel economy. If GM is correct in its math, it still has to deal with the recession sticker shock. If GM is incorrect in its math, it would be an embarrassment and PR nightmare....one that it cannot afford as it tries to reinvent itself.
3. GM also estimates that the cost to recharge the Volt would wind up being about 3 cents/mile based on the national average cost for electricity (11 cents/kwh).
4. Despite the price, I would definitely have strong interest in buying this car. It actually is a decent looking sedan and the fuel economy would be amazing.
Anything that helps us move towards energy independence and away from the clutches of Middle East oil is encouraging. If accurate, this is a nice step forward for US automakers. The price point still concerns me, though.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,4416022.story
To be fair anyone who buys it gets a 7,500 tax rebate. so 41,5k - 7.5k = 34k for the car. That isn't terrible."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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So what is REALLY the mpg for the Volt? We all know it isn't 230.Comment
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I think I would rather have the free golf cart.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
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235Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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* Based on a new formula the government is working up to make their "investment" in GMC look like it wasn't pissing in the wind.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!Comment
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Yes the 230 is a ridiculous claim. It counts the 40 miles on electric as not using any fuel (which technically it isn't using gasoline), but you are still using electricity.
They need some new metric that measures in miles/joule or something. But with hybrids even that doesn't work because electricity and gasoline have different effects on the environment and your wallet.Comment
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I'm (blissfully?) ignorant about cars like the Volt. If I were to get a Volt and only drive 20 to 30 miles a day, I could theoretically never need any gas? Does the gas kick in over short distances if I try to accelerate too quickly, or go up particularly steep hills or drive above a certain speed?Comment
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