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  • #76
    Originally posted by Moliere View Post
    The one guy I know that drives a volt parks it outside his garage for fear that it will ignite. I'm not kidding.

    The volt is actually a good car, it's just expensive and the cost doesn't justify the has savings. It also has a limited range, which is only an issue because you have to fill I up every 300 miles on road trips.
    The engineers were calling the volt a failure years ago...

    ”The first year’s volume, by GM’s own calculations, is 10 000 units, and you can’t save a company with that. That’s chicken feed. You’d need a vehicle that sells 400 000 units,” says John Wolkonowicz, an auto industry analyst at IHS Global Insight, in Lexington, Mass.

    ”There are not enough idiots who will buy it,” Johan de Nysschen, the president of Audi of America, told auto blogger Lawrence Ulrich.
    The thing that most people don't factor in when evaluating how much they will "save" by going with something like a Volt is battery replace costs (something like every 100,000 miles)...

    They assumed (from reports about the Volt) that the car would achieve 250 watt-hours per mile (155 watt-hours per kilometer) when operating on electricity, that gasoline would cost about $3 per gallon ($0.79 per liter), that electricity would cost $0.11 per kilowatt-hour, and that the car would cover 150 000 miles (roughly 241 000 kilometers) over a 12-year life. Result: a lifetime savings of $4875, ignoring charging costs. By discounting that sum at 10 percent over 12 years, to cover the cost of borrowing money, the authors arrived at a net savings of $3000 in fuel costs over the life of the vehicle. That’s what you’d save by running on wall current instead of gasoline.

    ”So if the extra batteries cost more than about $3000 up front, there is no way to make up the cost in future fuel-cost savings unless electricity prices drop or gasoline prices rise considerably,” says Jeremy Michalek, one of the authors of the study and a professor at CMU.

    He and his colleagues assume a base price for lithium-ion batteries of about $1000/kWh, meaning that the Volt would require a battery pack costing $16 000—or $13000 higher than economic considerations can justify. Sure, battery costs may fall, and the federal government may give as much as $7500 in tax credits, shifting some of the burden from the car owner to the taxpayer. But it’s still uneconomical.
    It seems the only reason the volt was built was to get a $50B investment from the government/taxpayers.

    I would be tempted to lease one for $199 per month on a two year lease. (Of course, I would charge it outside as well so it wouldn't burn down my house.) How did I miss that deal?
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
      Hmm... $199/mo to lease an $89,000 golf cart. Of course, they didn't mention it might burn down your house to charge it
      My company owns a Volt and it's parked on the same floor of the garage where I park. When I got in today, the parking guard asked me what floor I park on (which is odd because he usually just waves). I told him where I parked and he said I needed to park somewhere else because there was a car on fire on that level.

      The firemen are now here and there is smoke billowing out from under the building (where the garage is). I've got my money on it being the Volt that ignited.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        My company owns a Volt and it's parked on the same floor of the garage where I park. When I got in today, the parking guard asked me what floor I park on (which is odd because he usually just waves). I told him where I parked and he said I needed to park somewhere else because there was a car on fire on that level.

        The firemen are now here and there is smoke billowing out from under the building (where the garage is). I've got my money on it being the Volt that ignited.
        I have heard that the smoke from burning lithium ion batteries is good to clear the sinuses. Return and report.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
          I would be tempted to lease one for $199 per month on a two year lease. (Of course, I would charge it outside as well so it wouldn't burn down my house.) How did I miss that deal?
          I am good friends with a GM designer and he brought one home for a couple of weeks. I got to drive and drive in the car and I really liked it. If I was in the neighborhood for new car and I could get an awesome deal I would consider it. Again though as I mentioned before; the difference in price for a comparable gas car makes it not worth it.
          "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
            I am good friends with a GM designer and he brought one home for a couple of weeks. I got to drive and drive in the car and I really liked it. If I was in the neighborhood for new car and I could get an awesome deal I would consider it. Again though as I mentioned before; the difference in price for a comparable gas car makes it not worth it.
            Ask your GM friend if that $199/mo lease deal is coming back for christmas. That is too good of a deal to pass up.
            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • #81
              My SmartGrid professor has a ton of funny stories:

              So this electrical engineer in CA purchased an electric car. He had a net metering agreement with his power company, so if he produces excess power, his utility has to buy it back at their avoided cost.

              You guessed it-- he hooks up his car and charges it every night when the rates are low. Then, during the day, he discharges the electricity from his car back into the grid, and the power company buys back their power.

              He calculates that he pays 19 cents per kWh to charge, and gets 40 cents per kWh to discharge back.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                My SmartGrid professor has a ton of funny stories:

                So this electrical engineer in CA purchased an electric car. He had a net metering agreement with his power company, so if he produces excess power, his utility has to buy it back at their avoided cost.

                You guessed it-- he hooks up his car and charges it every night when the rates are low. Then, during the day, he discharges the electricity from his car back into the grid, and the power company buys back their power.

                He calculates that he pays 19 cents per kWh to charge, and gets 40 cents per kWh to discharge back.
                I am so getting one of these if that $199/mo lease deal comes back.
                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • #83
                  Think how useful electric cars would be for millenialists. Comes the Revolution, when power is restricted to just a few hours a day, you charge up your car, and then just use it as a generator for the other hours.

                  Take a nice picnic outing. Drive the ecar to the beach, and then plug in all your electric amenities among the sand dunes.

                  Give your employees a credit for buying electric cars, and then have them plug into special bays in the company parking lot. The cars discharge in the morning for the first hour into the company power system, then reverse and start charging around 10 am. Avoid all those demand charges when powering up in the morning. And the cars will be charged up by the time the rates rise in the late afternoon.

                  Form an Aggregator (organized electricity purchasing group) for local ecar owners. Push down prices even more by specifying that your aggregation group gets preferential prices from 1am-5am. Set all cars in the group to automatically suck juice at 1am.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                    My SmartGrid professor has a ton of funny stories:

                    So this electrical engineer in CA purchased an electric car. He had a net metering agreement with his power company, so if he produces excess power, his utility has to buy it back at their avoided cost.

                    You guessed it-- he hooks up his car and charges it every night when the rates are low. Then, during the day, he discharges the electricity from his car back into the grid, and the power company buys back their power.

                    He calculates that he pays 19 cents per kWh to charge, and gets 40 cents per kWh to discharge back.
                    Each cycle lowers the lifetime expectancy of the battery pack, right? How many kWh does he get per cycle, about 10?
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Lost_Student View Post
                      Each cycle lowers the lifetime expectancy of the battery pack, right? How many kWh does he get per cycle, about 10?
                      I did mention that he was an engineer, right?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Lost_Student View Post
                        Each cycle lowers the lifetime expectancy of the battery pack, right? How many kWh does he get per cycle, about 10?
                        Who cares if it is on a two year lease and under warranty?
                        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                          I have heard that the smoke from burning lithium ion batteries is good to clear the sinuses. Return and report.
                          Here's the official announcement:

                          Level B4 parking restricted today because of car fire

                          The fire on Level B4 was extinguished this morning, with damage contained to only the immediate area of the fire. Levels B2 and B3 were not affected other than a mild odor. The garage will undergo cleaning tonight after the burned car is removed.

                          Employees who are parked on B4 may now go there to inspect their vehicles or to leave the garage. You may leave your vehicle on B4 for the remainder of the day, but no vehicles that leave B4 today will be allowed to return. Anyone who leaves B4 and needs to return to [redacted] today should park in the [redacted].

                          Employees who normally park in the [redacted] garage but parked in the [redacted] today will have their parking validated. When leaving the [redacted] for the day, they should show the parking attendant their [redacted] identification badge or their [redacted] parking sticker, and they will not be charged.

                          Level B4 will be open for parking as usual on Thursday morning.
                          I'm post pictures tomorrow if there is anything cool to see.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                            Here's the official announcement:



                            I'm post pictures tomorrow if there is anything cool to see.
                            So, was it the Volt?
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                              So, was it the Volt?
                              I just checked the parking garage and I doubt it was the Volt. We have 1 Volt, 2 Prius's and a CNG Impala on that level and they are all parked next to each other. They are now all gone, but there is no residue or smell where they used to be. The smell is on the other side of the garage. Looks like it was probably just an employee car.
                              "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                              • #90
                                Volt sales are down, Leaf sales are up... It must be gas prices:
                                General Motors Co. said Friday that Chevrolet Volt sales fell 32 percent in October in the face of falling gas prices.


                                The Detroit automaker said Volt sales fell to 2,022, down from 2,961 in October 2012. For the year, U.S. Volt sales are now down 2.7 percent to 18,782.


                                At the same time, Nissan Motor Co.’s all-electric Leaf sales were up 27 percent in October to 2,002 and are up 167 percent for the year to 18,078.


                                "We are seeing sluggish sales of some plug-in hybrids such as the Ford C-Max — down 21 percent — and Chevy Volt — down 32 percent. The most likely culprit responsible for the decline is gas prices and enticing traditional gas-powered vehicles that achieve 40 mpg plus. With fuel prices expected to fall further, the auto industry will be watching carefully to see if the pattern continues,” said Edmunds.com senior analyst Michelle Krebs.
                                [...]
                                From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2jR5P3HQ8

                                Who the hell drives a Leaf? I want a Tesla.
                                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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