Suicide

[Babs]

I agree that while it isn't PC, it is reality. We have some very very close friends that are dealing with a very severe case of bi-polar disorder in one of their children.

May I ask how old? Pediatric bipolar disorder is incredibly difficult to treat, and the long-term prognosis is, well, depressing. The morbidity rate is quite high, so the parents are wise to consider every option available to help and protect their son.

That is little reassurance to the mother, who is plagued with guilt and grief nonetheless.








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[Babs]

I would always wonder if she made the decision from a logical place, or if the disease made her do it.

I think the point is that either way, she's free. Of course, she leaves her loved ones behind imprisoned in guilt and grief, but she herself is free.

[FMCoug]

That's amazing that she endured so long.

Yes it is. My grandmother (her Mom) was there for her the entire time ... a great example of a Mother's love. And my Mom was an almost heroic example of "enduring to the end"

Interestingly, my grandmother died just a couple of years after my Mom. She was in her 90's so no big surprise but her health went WAY downhill after my Mom died.

[TheAzzuri]

May I ask how old? Pediatric bipolar disorder is incredibly difficult to treat, and the long-term prognosis is, well, depressing. The morbidity rate is quite high, so the parents are wise to consider every option available to help and protect their son.

That is little reassurance to the mother, who is plagued with guilt and grief nonetheless.



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He's 10. I think they are doing their best to ignore the statistics you cite while remaining open to every possibility. Sadly, a mental hospital may be the only option before long. I just ache for them.

I'm not sure I can wrap my head around that kind of constant suffering. As TD mentioned in the thread on IVF, I'm just going to hug my kids for a while and be grateful.

[UtahDan]

And now another one. This just happens everywhere every day I guess.

I don't understand it. I don't understand why people have to carry these unbelievable unseen burdens around that are so heavy that they fold under them. So much of the suffering in the world seems so pointless. There is no explanation I have ever heard that is satisfying. If I ever see God, this is going to be my first question.

[Indy Coug]

I think many people's tipping point is closer than they and others are aware of or are willing to admit.

[RC Vikings]

What are the signs of someone who is bipolar?

[JohnnyLingo]

My dad was friends with a homicide detective when I was younger... the guy had been a cop for a long, long time and was considered one of the best. He got involved in a case where an armored car has been robbed and all the guards killed by the perpetrators. He spent the next few months chasing down the guy who did it and got completely wrapped up in the investigation. During this time, he unfortunately neglected his family, and his stepdaughter actually attempted suicide. He was able to close the case and moved away soon after, so I never did find out what happened with the stepdaughter. Definitely a sad situation.

[Fiyero]

Sorry to hear this Dan. During the spring there was a stretch where I knew five suicides in six weeks, but fortunately there's been only one since then. I don't know if numbers are on the rise, or if things have always been this way and I'm just getting older.

[I.J. Reilly]

It's so hard to get inside the head of those that commit suicide or attempt it. I had a high school classmate who over the weekend committed suicide. I knew a family whose son did the same and the younger brother found him after he hung himself. I have had near and dear family members who have attempted it. There is a desperation there that is hard for many to understand. At times, release from the sadness/unhappiness/depression seems to be the only way out. I cannot imagine harsh punishment for those who are in such a fragile state.

[mUUser]

If nothing else Dan, I feel inspired to literally sit down, face-to-face with each of my kids today, and let them know how special they are, and how much I, and God, loves them.

19? -- this breaks my heart.

[wuapinmon]

Bump. Also, did JohnnyLingo get unbanned? Kill the fatted calf!

[old_gregg]

It's so hard to get inside the head of those that commit suicide or attempt it. I had a high school classmate who over the weekend committed suicide. I knew a family whose son did the same and the younger brother found him after he hung himself. I have had near and dear family members who have attempted it. There is a desperation there that is hard for many to understand. At times, release from the sadness/unhappiness/depression seems to be the only way out. I cannot imagine harsh punishment for those who are in such a fragile state.

The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."

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[Jeff Lebowski]

Bump. Also, did JohnnyLingo get unbanned? Kill the fatted calf!

Yes. He didn't request it and we haven't heard from him in ages, but we decided in retrospect that he got a raw deal. All he did was say mean things to wuap and cause a few volcanic eruptions. I mean, who among us hasn't done that?

[wuapinmon]

Yes. He didn't request it and we haven't heard from him in ages, but we decided in retrospect that he got a raw deal. All he did was say mean things to wuap and cause a few volcanic eruptions. I mean, who among us hasn't done that?

I mean, if memory serves, he did hope that my gallbladder would explode and kill me. But, looking back, it just makes me laugh. I'd welcome him back, along with all his stupid opinions.