Bronco axed Kona. CB is going crazy.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Listen, if Bronco explains up front what a committment to BYU entails (and he does) and the recruits agrees to those conditions, I don't know how anyone can fault Bronco for actually following through. Frankly, for Kona and father to do this at 11:59PM on the recruiting clock has them coming off as big time POS.

Let's say you are a goat cheese salesman. There is a new restaurant opening soon that will be that will be using tons of goat cheese, they put that crap on every dish, you meet with Herbert the owner of the place and give Herbert the pitch of why he should buy your brand and he loves it. Herbert tells you "I want to use your goat cheese", and the day he opens the store he will have your brand of goat cheese in the kitchen.

You keep contact with Herbert and he keeps doing everything you want and confirming that he wants no other brand, that your brand had sold him from the very beginning. Then about a week before the restaurant opens, Herbert tells you "I am still buying your brand, I think your brand is the best and want to serve it. I am going to have lunch with the salesman from a different brand because we have been friends since we were kids and I want to spend an afternoon with them catching up." So you tell Herbert that you don't want him to meet the other salesman, in fact you are still upset at one of the guys from the other brand because you tried to get him to be a junior salesman. Herbert says "I am still with you, I am not changing cheese distributors. I am just having lunch with a friend that someone else is willing to pay for."

Herbert wants to convince you of the fact that he is committed to buying your cheese so much, that he puts his financial backer Fredrick in touch with you, Fredrick tells you "Herbert is just having lunch with his friends, he and I are still buying your brand of cheese next week when we open."

As a salesman is your response "If you have lunch with the other cheese company, I won't sell you our cheese anymore."? To me, that hard sell message says that you aren't very secure in your brand of cheese. That dealing with you for the rest of the time my restaurant is open is going to be a rough time. To me it would say that you are telling me at 11:59 that I no longer have a distributor of my main ingredient.

[Goatnapper'96]

What if you added this into your assumptions...

Bronco's not stupid.

Bronco wants to win games.

Bronco's ego and pride won't allow him to comply with the standard coaching requirement of kissing 18 yo ass to bring in a great recruiting class?

I think Bronco hates recruiting for the reasons you state. I think he is old school and that is his approach. I think given the rigidity of BYU as an institution, he might have a point that if the kids struggle with his blunt up front approach they might not make it through BYU.

What I am getting at is that I genuinely think that Bronco thinks his approach is what is better for BYU's football program. I don't think his personal pride gets in the way of him doing what he thinks is best for BYU's program. I am not sure I totally agree with his approach but I think it best to judge him by his overall track record. I think Bronco believes that his program is benefitted more by a less talented athlete who will be there for his entire elgibility than it would be with a supremely talented athlete who he has reasons to suppose won't make it for more than a year or two. Now those reasons why kids wash out go way and above the HC.

So I don't buy that Mendenhall's pride is the impediment to his success that other's indicate. I think he recruits in a manner that he believes will benefit his program over the long haul.

[cougjunkie]

What people arent understanding is Bronco saw the writing on the wall with this kid. He knew this kid was wavering and bottom line like they say in the mortgage industry "last Liar wins". The last person in this kids ear was going to be Brian Kelly. With how much he was wavering to begin with and the dead period starting Sunday. Brian Kelly was going to have the last word. So Bronco made a power play and figured hey we are going to lose this kid regardless, lets try to set a precedent for all future recruits.

To some it looks like it backfired but I think Bronco knows what he is doing and he is well aware of the can of worms he just opened. Khori Gaines father said that Bronco flat out told him and his son when you commit it is a two way street BYU is 100% committed to you, and you are 100% committed to BYU. Do not commit to BYU if you are not ready to fulfill that commitment and we will not offer a schollie to you if we are not ready to fulfill it as well.

Gaines father said Bronco made it abundantly clear that you should not commit unless you were 100% certain BYU was the place for you.

[Goatnapper'96]

Let's say you are a goat cheese salesman. There is a new restaurant opening soon that will be that will be using tons of goat cheese, they put that crap on every dish, you meet with Herbert the owner of the place and give Herbert the pitch of why he should buy your brand and he loves it. Herbert tells you "I want to use your goat cheese", and the day he opens the store he will have your brand of goat cheese in the kitchen.

You keep contact with Herbert and he keeps doing everything you want and confirming that he wants no other brand, that your brand had sold him from the very beginning. Then about a week before the restaurant opens, Herbert tells you "I am still buying your brand, I think your brand is the best and want to serve it. I am going to have lunch with the salesman from a different brand because we have been friends since we were kids and I want to spend an afternoon with them catching up." So you tell Herbert that you don't want him to meet the other salesman, in fact you are still upset at one of the guys from the other brand because you tried to get him to be a junior salesman. Herbert says "I am still with you, I am not changing cheese distributors. I am just having lunch with a friend that someone else is willing to pay for."

Herbert wants to convince you of the fact that he is committed to buying your cheese so much, that he puts his financial backer Fredrick in touch with you, Fredrick tells you "Herbert is just having lunch with his friends, he and I are still buying your brand of cheese next week when we open."

As a salesman is your response "If you have lunch with the other cheese company, I won't sell you our cheese anymore."? To me, that hard sell message says that you aren't very secure in your brand of cheese. That dealing with you for the rest of the time my restaurant is open is going to be a rough time. To me it would say that you are telling me at 11:59 that I no longer have a distributor of my main ingredient.

Between my love of Jenna Jameson and Bronco, he gets all the goat cheese the man can handle!

BOWN BICHA BOWN BOWN!

[Surfah]

What people arent understanding is Bronco saw the writing on the wall with this kid. He knew this kid was wavering and bottom line like they say in the mortgage industry "last Liar wins". The last person in this kids ear was going to be Brian Kelly. With how much he was wavering to begin with and the dead period starting Sunday. Brian Kelly was going to have the last word. So Bronco made a power play and figured hey we are going to lose this kid regardless, lets try to set a precedent for all future recruits.

To some it looks like it backfired but I think Bronco knows what he is doing and he is well aware of the can of worms he just opened. Khori Gaines father said that Bronco flat out told him and his son when you commit it is a two way street BYU is 100% committed to you, and you are 100% committed to BYU. Do not commit to BYU if you are not ready to fulfill that commitment and we will not offer a schollie to you if we are not ready to fulfill it as well.

Gaines father said Bronco made it abundantly clear that you should not commit unless you were 100% certain BYU was the place for you.

I have heard people say the same thing of Texas. Supposedly they give you two weeks once offered to accept. If you don't they move on. If you do you're expected to drop remaining visits.

Paul Johnson also pulled a scholarship from Dontay Acock after he tripped to Auburn.

Quarterback Dontae Aycock of Tampa, who “secretly committed” to Georgia Tech in mid-January and then had his scholarship revoked by the Yellow Jackets after taking an official visit to Auburn, told his version of events to the AJC’s Jeff Hood on Thursday. Aycock, who signed with Auburn, admitted “I didn’t think [Tech] would pull [the scholarship]. I just wanted to go to Auburn to look.”

On Friday, Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson was asked this question: When did you develop your “commitment” philosophy?

“We tell kids all the time in our office ‘Look around and make sure this is what you want to do,’” Johnson said. “I am not trying to keep kids from looking around. I think they need to look around. But when you decide and commit, then you’re giving people your word that you’re coming. It’s not a game. It’s not ‘Ok, I’ll take this one unless I can find something better. Or let me lock this down there so I can shop around for some other spots.’ If you’re doing that, you’re not committing.”

“Why don’t you say this school is leading? Or this school is way out in front? It’s the same thing with Dontae. Had Dontae not committed, we would’ve continued to recruit him probably up to a point where we would’ve said something like ‘Hey we’ve got to know something or we have to move on.’”

“There’s this fallacy out there that everybody is going to take five visits and decide on signing day. We know that’s not going to happen. That’s all it is. Commitment to me means if they tell me they are coming, then I expect that they are coming. If they tell you you’re coming, then why are they taking more visits?”

“I view anybody that’s still visiting [other] schools as not committed. That’s just me. That’s just the way I do it. Well, people say ‘That’s a double standard because you let other kids visit [Tech] who are committed [to other schools]. That’s not my problem. Maybe it’s a soft commitment. There may be a [college] coach somewhere else saying ‘Give me a soft commitment and go ahead take your visits.’”

“We recruited Dontae for a whole year. Nobody twisted his arm and made him commit to Georgia Tech. I didn’t say ‘If you leave here, I’m moving on or anything. He [Aycock] came to me on [the Sunday during his official visit to Tech], and said ‘Coach, this is what I want to do. I’m coming [to Tech].’ I said ‘Are you sure? He said ‘Yeah, I told my [high school] coach yesterday. I called him.’ I said ‘Is he good with you doing this?’ Yeah he’s good with it. ‘You know this means no more visits? Recruiting is over?’ He said ‘I know coach, but I want to keep it quiet.’

“That’s not right either. If the whole story was told, Dontae would tell you that I made him call Lousville and tell them that he wasn’t coming. I told him that’s only fair to Louisville. He went [the following day] and did that. There was a lot more to it. Then he got some bad advice. And maybe not. Maybe he wanted to go to Auburn anyways. That’s what I took it as. If he wanted to visit Auburn, then he wanted to go there.”

That sounds pretty insecure and small time to me.

[Indy Coug]

Let's say you are a goat cheese salesman. There is a new restaurant opening soon that will be that will be using tons of goat cheese, they put that crap on every dish, you meet with Herbert the owner of the place and give Herbert the pitch of why he should buy your brand and he loves it. Herbert tells you "I want to use your goat cheese", and the day he opens the store he will have your brand of goat cheese in the kitchen.

You keep contact with Herbert and he keeps doing everything you want and confirming that he wants no other brand, that your brand had sold him from the very beginning. Then about a week before the restaurant opens, Herbert tells you "I am still buying your brand, I think your brand is the best and want to serve it. I am going to have lunch with the salesman from a different brand because we have been friends since we were kids and I want to spend an afternoon with them catching up." So you tell Herbert that you don't want him to meet the other salesman, in fact you are still upset at one of the guys from the other brand because you tried to get him to be a junior salesman. Herbert says "I am still with you, I am not changing cheese distributors. I am just having lunch with a friend that someone else is willing to pay for."

Herbert wants to convince you of the fact that he is committed to buying your cheese so much, that he puts his financial backer Fredrick in touch with you, Fredrick tells you "Herbert is just having lunch with his friends, he and I are still buying your brand of cheese next week when we open."

As a salesman is your response "If you have lunch with the other cheese company, I won't sell you our cheese anymore."? To me, that hard sell message says that you aren't very secure in your brand of cheese. That dealing with you for the rest of the time my restaurant is open is going to be a rough time. To me it would say that you are telling me at 11:59 that I no longer have a distributor of my main ingredient.

I appreciate the time you took to write up that analogy, but frankly, it doesn't hold water. At the bare minimum (because I don't have the time to pick this apart in further detail).

1. You haven't assumed a limited resource for a surplus of buyers.

2. You haven't taken into account the implications of what happens if the buyer isn't telling the truth.

[Coach McGuirk]

I agree with smokymountainrain.....Bronco comes across as small time. Disallowing someone from taking a free trip to another school? How insecure can you get?

I don't think so in this case. I think Bronco already had to tell another DL he didn't have a scholarship for him because he had promised them to other commits. Now one of those commits is shopping himself. So Bronco was suppose to say, "oh ok that is cool. I will just chill here and see if I get left holding a scholarship at the end of the day"? No, he said if you go, you don't seem committed, so I am going to go and fill this spot. He even could of said that he couldn't promise that the spot would be open, but we will never know as once again we will only hear this one side to the story.

I also find it quite laughable the extent that some pretty bright minds here are fully invested to one side of this story.

[Surfah]

I also find it quite laughable the extent that some pretty bright minds here are fully invested to one side of this story.

I am sure there is more to the story. But at this point I am inclined to believe and trust in Bronco. His results to this point, as SU would say, speak volumes.

[ReggaeCoug]

This is typical BYU fan bullshit. BYU would never suffer a decommit. It's got to be "Bronco pulled the scholie" (even though the writing was on the wall). Even when Utah basketball had the longest home winning streak in the nation I'd never have claimed the Huntsman Center was a bigger home court advantage than the Pit. But no, BYU fans have to have the toughest home court advantage, even this week when claiming that is counterproductive for their own team. If someone said UNLV has the best basketball tradition, I'd agree to disagree. If someone said Air Force has the most competitive undergraduate classes, I'd yield the point. I'd argue with you if you denied Utah is the best overall university in the conference academically, but that's about it. I'd probably make a case for Utah being the best overall DI tradition and program. But I wouldn't have to try to make Utah look invulnerable in every field.

Guess what. A decommit is not shameful! It means you're getting commits who are desireable.

BYU fans are such insecure assholes!

Wow you are an idiot. What part of the story didn't you get? "Kona prayed and received an answer that he wants to go to BYU. We are very committed to BYU." Does that sound like someone who was ready to decommitt? Talk about assholes. wow

[cougjunkie]

Yep Texas told Ross Apo he had the weekend to decide or they were moving on that is why he committed to them so early.

I can see 100% why they do it. Signing day is February but that does not mean you have to wait until then to become committed to a team. These kids are recruiting from the time they are sophomores sometimes even freshman in high school. They have plenty of time to research, take official visits, etc.

A decommit has a huge domino effect, look at utah for example 7 decommits this year. Imagine they land 2 RBs that they were recruiting heavily. Both of them commit, at that time they are recruiting 3 other RBs. Utah says well we landed 2 we are set for this class. So they lay off the other 3, now they would be stupid to completely back off. But chances are the other 3 see the writing on the wall, they start looking at other options and Utah falls in to the background. A month before signing day one of your RB commits decides to go elsewhere. Now Utah has to go back to the original 3 who are now well aware that they were your second choice, or scramble to fill a need with guys that you were not completely sold on to begin with.

[byu71]

Yep Texas told Ross Apo he had the weekend to decide or they were moving on that is why he committed to them so early.

I can see 100% why they do it. Signing day is February but that does not mean you have to wait until then to become committed to a team. These kids are recruiting from the time they are sophomores sometimes even freshman in high school. They have plenty of time to research, take official visits, etc.

A decommit has a huge domino effect, look at utah for example 7 decommits this year. Imagine they land 2 RBs that they were recruiting heavily. Both of them commit, at that time they are recruiting 3 other RBs. Utah says well we landed 2 we are set for this class. So they lay off the other 3, now they would be stupid to completely back off. But chances are the other 3 see the writing on the wall, they start looking at other options and Utah falls in to the background. A month before signing day one of your RB commits decides to go elsewhere. Now Utah has to go back to the original 3 who are now well aware that they were your second choice, or scramble to fill a need with guys that you were not completely sold on to begin with.

I am beginning to wonder if there wasn't a new wrinkle told Kona. Maybe a we need you to gray shirt or go on your mission first or not enroll until January. Knowing the feeding frenzy that would get started, I can understand why neither side would like to bring this up if it happened.

If that did happen though, I would look at Kona's position in an entirely new light.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

1. You haven't assumed a limited resource for a surplus of buyers.

2. You haven't taken into account the implications of what happens if the buyer isn't telling the truth.

Are there are surplus of buyers that will be buying at the level of Herbert? Or are the other buyers companies that aren't very stable and won't pan out?

If someone is lying then that is a problem either way. I felt like putting his father/financial backer in touch to confirm his committment to buy is the most you can get at this point.

I realize there are more factors than what was in my hypothetical argument.

[ReggaeCoug]

If what CJ said is true, it is truly a shame how Bronco has chosen to handle this situation. He comes off as a big time POS.

Is Kona worthy of being in the same sentence of Manti and Ricky? Those two are very high on the recruiting planes, but is Kona that high of a profile.

[cougjunkie]

I am beginning to wonder if there wasn't a new wrinkle told Kona. Maybe a we need you to gray shirt or go on your mission first or not enroll until January. Knowing the feeding frenzy that would get started, I can understand why neither side would like to bring this up if it happened.

If that did happen though, I would look at Kona's position in an entirely new light.

Could be, rumor has it BYU found an open schollie for Heimuli somehow. Maybe that was by sending Kona on a mission first.

[Surfah]

Is Kona worthy of being in the same sentence of Manti and Ricky? Those two are very high on the recruiting planes, but is Kona that high of a profile.

He will be once he commits to either ND or UW.