Bronco axed Kona. CB is going crazy.

[Indy Coug]

Is Apo not having a mutual agreement with another school enough evidence for you? What more do you really need to know than that. That is all the evidence you need. If you want more, Joe Kruger was at a couple of BYU games on the sideline before a couple of games. Someone was talking to him and giving him tickets.

Like I said, it is ok for Apo and Bronco to do this because it benefits BYU. But let's crucify the kid when it doesn't favor BYU. Think of Ben Olsen and all the missionaries that came to BYU after committing to another school before they left as other examples.

Think what you will about my so called ignorance on this subject or my stand on this. I know what I know and I will leave it at that.

You obviously think you know exactly what has happened on the recruiting trail for BYU and I say bullshit to that. You can think what you want and I am fine with it. Keep reading what you read on TBS. They are as blue as the come over there and don't post anything that would be objective to BYU.

Like I said before, I see where Bronco is coming from on this. I just don't agree with it. If you can't accept that people can have other opinions about something this then Go To Hell!

So you're saying it's impossible for Apo to have decommitted on his own? I'm still looking for examples of what BYU did to recruit Apo after he committed to Texas.

When did Kruger commit to Utah and when did he get tickets to BYU games? Who gave Kruger the tickets?

I can accept people having differing opinions, but if they are going to offer situations like Apo as an example of Bronco being hypocritical, then I merely ask for details to determine if someone knows what they are talking about or if they are simply pulling stuff out of their ass. If it puts you out that much to back up your accusations, that's your problem, not mine.

If you can't accept that people will differ with your opinion, then you need to step outside of whatever bubble it is you live in.

[byu71]

I am sticking by my stance that Bronco saw the kid wavering, decided that he was going to try and make a power play because he new that if ND had the last word he would lose the kid for sure. It did not work but in the mean time he is alright with it not working because now he sets a precedent for all future recruits.

Also I would not be shocked if after his ND trip, Schwenke and Bronco come to some sort of agreement and we still see him in Cougar Blue. (Not likely but possible)

Have you ever seen two good people have an honest agreement about how something should come down. Later one of them says something bad about the other and vice versa.

There really is no right or wrong, but sides are chosen. I think it is quite natural for most Cougar fans to line up behind Bronco. After all he still has a great recruiting class and won 11 games last year. I don't mind that. However, those who have to go further and make Kona out to be some kind of villain I think are......... Luckily I stopped, I am nice to everyone.

[Coach McGuirk]

Think of it this way:

If you have a girlfriend can you keep guys from hitting on her? No. But if your girlfriend decides she wants to go on a date or two with these other guys then there is a problem with you and your girlfriend, no? Are you going to let your girlfriend go out on these dates? Are you insecure or small-time if you put your foot down and say if you want to go on a date with these other guys were through?

Now if I hit on your girlfriend and she's dazzled and wants to hook up, well that problem is between you and your girl. Not me. You may hate me and want to kick my ass after school, but I am not the issue. Your girl and her commitment to you is.

The "don't hate the playa, hate the game!" defense. Nice!

[Indy Coug]

I am amused by Indy's appeal to contract law ("triggering event?"), only to later claim that the legality of the agreement is beside the point. Every now and then Indy gets excited and starts using terms that are outside of his actuarial wheelhouse. lol.

I can see DDD is going to do everything in his power to skirt around the point I was making. Classic DDD.

[Surfah]

The "don't hate the playa, hate the game!" defense. Nice!

[Indy Coug]

I am still confused about the "triggering event" language. To accept a scholarship offer prior to LOI Day is to "trigger" what, exactly? The agreement is non-binding. If you are simply pointing out that Kona is agreeing to lose his scholarship if he visits elsewhere, well nobody is disputing that, either.

Stop being so literal. The issue here is at what point does BYU consider a recruit obligated to abide by certain guidelines with their recruiting activities.

You claimed it was when BYU merely offered.

I claim it's when BYU and the recruit mutually agreed to a scholarship offer and all of the conditions that come with the offer.

[cougjunkie]

Nobody is disputing that Bronco "can" do what he did. The issue is whether it is weak and insecure to threaten to pull the scholarship if the kid does visit elsewhere.

i think it is. You disagree. No worries.

Just curious is it weak when Texas, Georgia Tech or Auburn do it?

Texas is the most notorious for it. All scholarship offers have time limits on them. (Granted if you are Jeffcoat or Hicks that time limit is February 3rd). If you are Ross Apo it is 2 weeks.

Mack Brown told Ross Apo that if he attended BYUs junior day they would pull his scholllie.

[Surfah]

Just curious is it weak when Texas, Georgia Tech or Auburn do it?

Texas is the most notorious for it. All scholarship offers have time limits on them. (Granted if you are Jeffcoat or Hicks that time limit is February 3rd). If you are Ross Apo it is 2 weeks.

Mack Brown told Ross Apo that if he attended BYUs junior day they would pull his scholllie.

Mack Brown is insecure and weak.

[jay santos]

Just curious is it weak when Texas, Georgia Tech or Auburn do it?

Texas is the most notorious for it. All scholarship offers have time limits on them. (Granted if you are Jeffcoat or Hicks that time limit is February 3rd). If you are Ross Apo it is 2 weeks.

Mack Brown told Ross Apo that if he attended BYUs junior day they would pull his scholllie.

Who has the leverage in the Ross Apo/Mack Brown relationship?

Who has the leverage in a Bronco/4 star LDS recruit leverage?

Ross Apo is to Texas as a 2 star OL recruit from Utah County is to BYU.

[cougjunkie]

Who has the leverage in the Ross Apo/Mack Brown relationship?

Who has the leverage in a Bronco/4 star LDS recruit leverage?

Ross Apo is to Texas as a 2 star OL recruit from Utah County is to BYU.

Obviously Apo had the leverage since he decommitted from Texas.

Obviously Bronco has the leverage since he pulled Konas schollie offer. Even though Konas dad is all over the media saying his son still really wants to go to BYU.

Jay if you want BYU to be big time they need to act like it.

[TripletDaddy]

Stop being so literal. The issue here is at what point does BYU consider a recruit obligated to abide by certain guidelines with their recruiting activities.

You claimed it was when BYU merely offered.

I claim it's when BYU and the recruit mutually agreed to a scholarship offer and all of the conditions that come with the offer.

ha. ok, Indy. I will stop be so literal.

To your point about the exact moment in the time continuum wherein football commitments are conceived, I still don't see the additive value of your point. Nobody is disputing that the coach has the ability to pull the scholarship or to even threaten the recruit with the pulling of the scholarship. And nobody was forcing the kid to agree to those terms. Both were willing parties.

[Indy Coug]

ha. ok, Indy. I will stop be so literal.

To your point about the exact moment in the time continuum wherein football commitments are conceived, I still don't see the additive value of your point. Nobody is disputing that the coach has the ability to pull the scholarship or to even threaten the recruit with the pulling of the scholarship. And nobody was forcing the kid to agree to those terms. Both were willing parties.

You just misrepresented or mistated when the BYU coaches do that. If you will concede that it does not occur at the moment the scholarship is offered, we can move on.

[jay santos]

Obviously Apo had the leverage since he decommitted from Texas.

Obviously Bronco has the leverage since he pulled Konas schollie offer. Even though Konas dad is all over the media saying his son still really wants to go to BYU.

Jay if you want BYU to be big time they need to act like it.

You're right. But this is how I perceive big time programs recruit. They kiss butt to the cream of the crop and they play hard ball with the filler. Cream of the crop for BYU is 4/5 star guys. Filler is the 2 star LDS kid praying BYU offers him a schollie. Filler for Texas is Ross Apo.

[Indy Coug]

You're right. But this is how I perceive big time programs recruit. They kiss butt to the cream of the crop and they play hard ball with the filler. Cream of the crop for BYU is 4/5 star guys. Filler is the 2 star LDS kid praying BYU offers him a schollie. Filler for Texas is Ross Apo.

If Apo is offered by Texas over a year prior to LOI day, he isn't filler.

[TripletDaddy]

You just misrepresented or mistated when the BYU coaches do that. If you will concede that it does not occur at the moment the scholarship is offered, we can move on.

yes, i did misstate. offering means nothing. Which puts the offer on par with the acceptance. both are meaningless.

and this still brings us back to your contention of triggering events. What is being triggered? You still haven't said. Since nothing is enforceable, and there are no terms (because there is no agreement in place), what exactly is being triggered when an offer is made and accepted prior to LOI day?