Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[Pelado]

lori vallow should stay in jail until she produces her kids alive and well.

And then a little longer because of her likely involvement in the deaths of her ex-husband and brother and new husband's first wife.

[Green Monstah]

Disingenuous based on what? Your cynicism?

No way was it tens of millions.

Disingenuous based on a reclassification of “humanitarian” funds when expedient.

There are several media outlets (and church sources) that pegged humanitarian aid between 40-60 million per year. How is it subjective cynicism to question a 20x reclassification of humanitarian aid? I don’t get that.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Disingenuous based on a reclassification of “humanitarian” funds when expedient.

There are several media outlets (and church sources) that pegged humanitarian aid between 40-60 million per year. How is it subjective cynicism to question a 20x reclassification of humanitarian aid? I don’t get that.

That 40-60 million number was debunked a long time ago.

[Green Monstah]

That 40-60 million number was debunked a long time ago.

By whom?

[tooblue]

By whom?

https://www.latterdaysaintcharities.org

https://mormonstudies.as.virginia.ed...and-its-money/

But, is it doing enough? All must wrestle with their conscience and in exactly these terms, writ small. How much do I need to thrive and when is that at the expense of another’s greater need? Dollars as a percentage of wealth will always fail to meet the commission “to proclaim good news to the poor. . . to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed.” (Luke 4:18) So, the answer must be that neither it, nor we are doing enough within our own sphere of influence. But, a fairer question, the one we would want asked of us, is whether the Church’s efforts are increasing. This appears to be the case. In its first year, 1985, LDS Charities donated $11 million in response the Ethiopian famine. In 2018, it funded 155 projects in 50 countries at an unknown cost, however, recent news reports show it to be making single donations at least as large as $10 million. The Church does not publicize the dollar value of its charitable activities, only amounts and types of supplies donated and labor provided. This two-month report gives some sense of the scale of its disaster response at any given time. For example, during the sixty day period after Hurricanes Irma and Maria, LDS Charities sent more than 40 shipping containers with food, water, building materials, hygiene kits, and cleaning supplies to the affected islands of the Caribbean, and redirected its missionary force to disaster relief. A year later, it was still involved.

"... if the church funded 155 projects at an average of $10 million they potentially gave away one billion five hundred fifty million dollars in 2018."

The church has now come out and stated, per the presiding bishopric, that they are approaching giving away a billion dollars annually.

[Jeff Lebowski]

By whom?

That number only included a narrow subset of foreign aid/emergency assistance. It did not include things like fast offerings, church welfare and employment services, bishop storehouses, etc.

Should educational programs like Pathway be removed from the count? If you think that, you don't know much about how Pathway works.

[Green Monstah]

That number only included a narrow subset of foreign aid/emergency assistance. It did not include things like fast offerings, church welfare and employment services, bishop storehouses, etc.

Should educational programs like Pathway be removed from the count? If you think that, you don't know much about how Pathway works.

But these new figures are all post-whistleblower, right?

Fast Offerings: are they taking credit for redistributing donations donated for human relief? You don’t see an issue with that?

Pathway, CES, Church schools are all fantastic. Not humanitarian, IMO. At least, not for the large % of the people utilizing them (who have access to colleges and universities already).

This is just reclassifying because they’re embarrassed at the size of their war chest in comparison with the $60mm in humanitarian aid they used to brag about. It’s obvious corporate spin, and you’re devouring it. [insert JL’s double down line here.]

[Eddie]

But these new figures are all post-whistleblower, right?

Fast Offerings: are they taking credit for redistributing donations donated for human relief? You don’t see an issue with that?...

Seriously? Wasn't the complaint that the church is taking in so many donations and gives so little in return. So now you're going to fault them for saying "OK - here's where those donations go"?

[tooblue]

But these new figures are all post-whistleblower, right?

Fast Offerings: are they taking credit for redistributing donations donated for human relief? You don’t see an issue with that?

Pathway, CES, Church schools are all fantastic. Not humanitarian, IMO. At least, not for the large % of the people utilizing them (who have access to colleges and universities already).

This is just reclassifying because they’re embarrassed at the size of their war chest in comparison with the $60mm in humanitarian aid they used to brag about. It’s obvious corporate spin, and you’re devouring it. [insert JL’s double down line here.]

The church is giving away a billion dollars annually to humanitarian efforts across the globe.

https://www.latterdaysaintcharities.org

That is in addition to the billions it spends on Welfare, Pathway, CES, Universities etc.

[Jeff Lebowski]

But these new figures are all post-whistleblower, right?

I recall reading clarifications on the aid amount prior to the whistleblower. I recall reading an article recently from 2012.

Fast Offerings: are they taking credit for redistributing donations donated for human relief? You don’t see an issue with that?

No issue whatsoever.

Pathway, CES, Church schools are all fantastic. Not humanitarian, IMO. At least, not for the large % of the people utilizing them (who have access to colleges and universities already).

This is just reclassifying because they’re embarrassed at the size of their war chest in comparison with the $60mm in humanitarian aid they used to brag about. It’s obvious corporate spin, and you’re devouring it. [insert JL’s double down line here.]

What makes you think the education is part of that $1B number? Yes, they talk about education in the article, but it is part of a broader discussion about the church's overall expenses. Furthermore, they claim that CES costs $1.5B per year. If that is true, how would the $1B part include CES? The article also talks about the expenses of building temples - and that is clearly not part of the humanitarian budget. Here is what is says about aid:

“The people who say we’re not doing our part, that is just not true,” Bishop Waddell said. “We’re talking close to $1 billion in that welfare/humanitarian area on an annual basis. Yes, we are using our resources to bless the poor and the needy as well as all of the other responsibilities we have as a church.”

The figure includes all humanitarian and welfare expenditures, including fast offering aid.

That is quite specific language. So yes, I am going to double down and say that your claim that the church is fudging the numbers here is based solely on your cynicism.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Since we are discussing financial matters of the church, I'd like to thank the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for the funding of the City Creek mall. Tomorrow, I will be doing Pokemon Go community day there. It is a fantastic location for community day, especially when the weather is not ideal. I'd appreciate it more if City Creek was open on Sunday.

[Commando]

Since we are discussing financial matters of the church, I'd like to thank the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for the funding of the City Creek mall. Tomorrow, I will be doing Pokemon Go community day there. It is a fantastic location for community day, especially when the weather is not ideal. I'd appreciate it more if City Creek was open on Sunday.

You're quite welcome.

[The_Tick]

But these new figures are all post-whistleblower, right?

Fast Offerings: are they taking credit for redistributing donations donated for human relief? You don’t see an issue with that?

Pathway, CES, Church schools are all fantastic. Not humanitarian, IMO. At least, not for the large % of the people utilizing them (who have access to colleges and universities already).

This is just reclassifying because they’re embarrassed at the size of their war chest in comparison with the $60mm in humanitarian aid they used to brag about. It’s obvious corporate spin, and you’re devouring it. [insert JL’s double down line here.]

As I think I am the only Pathway student on the board...you couldn't be farther from the truth here. I would say that greater than 50% of the people I have taken classes with or worked with are from Latin American and African countries. Pathway is a humanitarian aid for a majority of the people using it.

[Green Monstah]

My bad.

[LVAllen]

Not sure if this belongs in the sports forum or here, but this BYU pole vaulter has gone viral:

Trigger warning: nut shot

https://www.tiktok.com/@zach_mcwhort...11744542280966