Drew Phillips' speed

[taekwondave]

I just ran into Drew Phillips (return man, possibly running back at BYU) and told him to be careful working with Coach Omer, that he'd slow him down. He said, "Oh, I know. I don't hardly do his stuff. I stick with the workouts I got from the speed camps I've been to."

That, my friends, is very good news.

[MarkGrace]

I'm not sure guys on the team not wanting to listen to the strength and conditioning coach is a good idea. And by that I mean why is Omer still around if no one buys into his stuff?

[jay santos]

I just ran into Drew Phillips (return man, possibly running back at BYU) and told him to be careful working with Coach Omer, that he'd slow him down. He said, "Oh, I know. I don't hardly do his stuff. I stick with the workouts I got from the speed camps I've been to."

That, my friends, is very good news.

Ineffective workouts can't slow you down. Fat can slow you down.

[taekwondave]

I'm not sure guys on the team not wanting to listen to the strength and conditioning coach is a good idea. And by that I mean why is Omer still around if no one buys into his stuff?

Omer is great at STRENGTH and CONDITIONING, not speed. His training gets you into shape, yes, it makes you strong and it makes you long-winded, yes, but if you are fast and walk into his system and abandon whatever it was you were doing to become fast previously? You're done as far as speed goes. I've trained with Omer. I've seen what a gaping weakness this is for him.

[taekwondave]

Ineffective workouts can't slow you down. Fat can slow you down.

Ha! I agree that fat can most definitely slow you down, but I will HAVE to disagree with you on the first part.

From the age of 17 till age 26 (I've gained about 20 lbs since then. I'm 27 now.) My weight consistently fluctuated from 150 to 160 lbs (I'm 5'10"). At age 18 I measured my speed. I had been going to the gym steadily for 2 and 1/2 years and I was as lean as I've ever been. 40 time? 5.0 seconds flat.

So, for several years, I thought I was slow. I got on a new training program and within four months I was flying by people. New AVERAGE 40 time then? 4.45 seconds. (Best time 4.39 but you never count your single best time, hence the average.)

I'm living proof that the right training most definitely increases your speed.

[FMCoug]

I'm no expert but isn't this a fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch thing?

[taekwondave]

I'm no expert but isn't this a fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch thing?

Yeah, you can call it that, sure. But more than anything bad speed training consists of the fact that the primary movers go largely untrained due to the ignorance of the speed coach. Anybody can get faster if they've previously been neglecting those muscles. Omer's training neglects those muscles.

[jay santos]

Ha! I agree that fat can most definitely slow you down, but I will HAVE to disagree with you on the first part.

From the age of 17 till age 26 (I've gained about 20 lbs since then. I'm 27 now.) My weight consistently fluctuated from 150 to 160 lbs (I'm 5'10"). At age 18 I measured my speed. I had been going to the gym steadily for 2 and 1/2 years and I was as lean as I've ever been. 40 time? 5.0 seconds flat.

So, for several years, I thought I was slow. I got on a new training program and within four months I was flying by people. New AVERAGE 40 time then? 4.45 seconds. (Best time 4.39 but you never count your single best time, hence the average.)

I'm living proof that the right training most definitely increases your speed.

I don't doubt the right training can increase your speed. (I reject your story of going from a 5.0 to a 4.39 without gaining muscle or decreasing body fat, but we can discuss that separately).

But I do doubt a player getting slower while in the BYU program simply related to training program and nothing to do with weight changes.

[jay santos]

Yeah, you can call it that, sure. But more than anything bad speed training consists of the fact that the primary movers go largely untrained due to the ignorance of the speed coach. Anybody can get faster if they've previously been neglecting those muscles. Omer's training neglects those muscles.

Which muscles do you call the primary movers and how does Omer's training program ignore them?

[Jacob]

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I had been going to the gym steadily for 2 and 1/2 years and I was as lean as I've ever been. 40 time? 5.0 seconds flat.

So, for several years, I thought I was slow. I got on a new training program and within four months I was flying by people. New AVERAGE 40 time then? 4.45 seconds. (Best time 4.39 but you never count your single best time, hence the average.)

I'm living proof that the right training most definitely increases your speed.

[taekwondave]

Which muscles do you call the primary movers and how does Omer's training program ignore them?

Hip flexors and hamstrings.

In the past, Omer's training has focused on quads and gluts. Great for linemen, since they use a jumping motion in run blocking, but bad for sprinters, since sprinters don't jump.

Now, that's not to say there isn't a niche for strong receivers who can jump. Obviously Austin Collie proves that. But I hate recruiting speedy little guys like Mckay Jacobsen, only to watch the only quality that makes him valuable to our team fall out from underneath him after spending too much time here.

Now, one thing I've noticed is that injuries seem to be declining in spring ball over the last two years. That might mean that Omer has altered something in that area. If so I would be happy. But I had a clear conscience telling Drew to at least be careful when training with him, and to not give up doing what made him so fast in the first place.

[Art Vandelay]

Ha! I agree that fat can most definitely slow you down, but I will HAVE to disagree with you on the first part.

From the age of 17 till age 26 (I've gained about 20 lbs since then. I'm 27 now.) My weight consistently fluctuated from 150 to 160 lbs (I'm 5'10"). At age 18 I measured my speed. I had been going to the gym steadily for 2 and 1/2 years and I was as lean as I've ever been. 40 time? 5.0 seconds flat.

So, for several years, I thought I was slow. I got on a new training program and within four months I was flying by people. New AVERAGE 40 time then? 4.45 seconds. (Best time 4.39 but you never count your single best time, hence the average.)

I'm living proof that the right training most definitely increases your speed.

TWD, you might need to replace your keyboard. It somehow is transposing numbers. If you re-read what you [accidently] typed you will see, the ridiculous claim of a non-elite athlete (I assume. Unless you play some sports at an elite level that you haven't told us about) dropping his 40 to nearly world-class speed.

Hurry up and make the necessary changes, unless you want to start getting letters inviting you to the 2012 NFL combine or the Prefontaine Classic.

[Green Monstah]

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Lol.

[taekwondave]

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Haha, I thought so too. But I didn't train as a sprinter previously, and once I did...boom. A guy who weighs 155 lbs should NEVER be running a 5.0 second forty. I remember wanting to cry when I saw the time. It's not like I was fat. As for my sprint time at age 26, you can cry BS all you want. There are plenty of guys out there that run 4.45 average forties. It's not like it's Deion Sanders speed or something. (4.25) It's fast, but it's still not Drew Phillips fast ( I hear he averages 4.39).

[taekwondave]

TWD, you might need to replace your keyboard. It somehow is transposing numbers. If you re-read what you [accidently] typed you will see, the ridiculous claim of a non-elite athlete (I assume. Unless you play some sports at an elite level that you haven't told us about) dropping his 40 to nearly world-class speed.

Hurry up and make the necessary changes, unless you want to start getting letters inviting you to the 2012 NFL combine or the Prefontaine Classic.

If you think a 5'10" white kid who only played football in the eighth and ninth grade who now runs a 4.45 is going to make it in the combine, you need to think again. Speed is a cherry on top of the sunday that NFL scouts are looking for. I've got the cherry, but I lack PLENTY of ice cream and hot fudge.