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  • jay santos
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 13652

    #1

    27 simple defensive assignment errors

    That doesn't seem that easy to fix.
  • Raketemensch
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 87

    #2
    This reminds me in a slightly haunting way of Gary Crowton sitting down w/ Val Hale in 2003, pointing out with optimism those "little mistakes" that were holding us back from offensive greatness...

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    • Indy Coug
      Heartless Bastard
      • Dec 2008
      • 18747

      #3
      The question is how many of those 27 assignment errors were by players that were filling in for injuries to Johnson, Tialavea, etc. ?

      Particularly, how many incorrect calls were made on the field because Johnson wasn't out there?
      Last edited by Indy Coug; 09-22-2009, 05:51 AM.
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      • jay santos
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 13652

        #4
        Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
        The question is how many of those 27 assignment errors were by players that were filling in for injuries to Johnson, Tialavea, etc. ?

        Particularly, how many incorrect calls were made on the field because Johnson wasn't out there?
        I don't know. That statement just struck me as really odd.

        "No worries, guys. I looked at the tape and found 27 easily fixable mistakes."

        If it was due to injuries, I'd feel more warm and fuzzy hearing "there were some mistakes made by new players playing in place of injured starters, we'll address it and they'll be ready for next game".

        27 mistakes (on what 70 plays or so?) sounds like a mountain size problem.

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        • Indy Coug
          Heartless Bastard
          • Dec 2008
          • 18747

          #5
          Originally posted by jay santos View Post
          I don't know. That statement just struck me as really odd.

          "No worries, guys. I looked at the tape and found 27 easily fixable mistakes."

          If it was due to injuries, I'd feel more warm and fuzzy hearing "there were some mistakes made by new players playing in place of injured starters, we'll address it and they'll be ready for next game".

          27 mistakes (on what 70 plays or so?) sounds like a mountain size problem.
          Another question would be how many of the 27 mistakes are the exact same mistake being repeated? That would be a lot easier to whittle down the mistakes rather than 27 unique varieties of mistakes.
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          • byu71
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 22070

            #6
            I wonder what is normal for a good team. I wonder if we looked at FSU if maybe they had 20.

            From a novice's viewpoint sitting in the stands we got out talented. When an offensive lineman knocks the DL back, does that count as a simple defensive error? When a 6'3" guy out jumps a 5'7" guy for the ball, is that a simple defensive error?

            The other question I would ask is, if you make 27 simple defensive assignment errors, you weren't very well coached were you? I think they are a well coached team and sometimes I think "Bronco speak" goes over the top.

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            • jay santos
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 13652

              #7
              The comment struck me as bizarre, but at any rate, I'd rather have a coach acknowledge a problem and demonstrate a desire and confidence in fixing the problem, than to act like nothing was wrong.

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              • byu71
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 22070

                #8
                Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                The comment struck me as bizarre, but at any rate, I'd rather have a coach acknowledge a problem and demonstrate a desire and confidence in fixing the problem, than to act like nothing was wrong.
                True. The most honest thing to say would be, we need to continue to upgrade our talent. However, that would be a slap to the current players and very inappropriate if you are trying to build moral for the rest of the season.

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                • Indy Coug
                  Heartless Bastard
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 18747

                  #9
                  The bottom line is that Florida State outexecuted BYU. It wasn't schematic. BYU repeatedly was in a position to make a play and didn't. BYU also did a poor job with outside contain (probably the bulk of the aforementioned "27 mistakes") where a guy had nowhere to go up the middle and bounced it outside because the exterior of BYU's defense got sucked into the middle.
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                  • byu71
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 22070

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                    The bottom line is that Florida State outexecuted BYU. It wasn't schematic. BYU repeatedly was in a position to make a play and didn't. BYU also did a poor job with outside contain (probably the bulk of the aforementioned "27 mistakes") where a guy had nowhere to go up the middle and bounced it outside because the exterior of BYU's defense got sucked into the middle.
                    I guess so. When Jordan made that shot on Russell, it was just Jordan outexecuting Russell. If the clippers start executing at a higher level, I think they can take the Lakers next year.

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                    • Hot Lunch
                      Out of Office
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 7842

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                      The bottom line is that Florida State outexecuted BYU. It wasn't schematic.
                      I think that it was about 70% FSU out executed BYU and 30% schematic. I personally think that BYU has the worst defensive schemes in football but thats just me.
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                      • DU Ute
                        RIP CUF
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 7393

                        #12
                        Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                        I wonder what is normal for a good team. I wonder if we looked at FSU if maybe they had 20.

                        From a novice's viewpoint sitting in the stands we got out talented. When an offensive lineman knocks the DL back, does that count as a simple defensive error? When a 6'3" guy out jumps a 5'7" guy for the ball, is that a simple defensive error? When a white guy gets outrun by a black guy, is that a simple defensive error? Or is it simply a result of an overly restrictive Honor Code?

                        The other question I would ask is, if you make 27 simple defensive assignment errors, you weren't very well coached were you? I think they are a well coached team and sometimes I think "Bronco speak" goes over the top.
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                        • byu71
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 22070

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DU Ute View Post
                          I finished that for you. Your welcome.
                          Well thanks, but I wasn't really thinking in those terms. After all I saw Jacobsen get behind one of their corners and run away from him.

                          I was thinking more in terms of the big picture and perhaps some really good LDS kids we have lost to other schools because of the stuffy nature of BYU, which the HC exemplifies.

                          As I have said many times before, the HC for the most part, represents good solid behavior goals. It is the deification and enforcement methods of said honor code that I find archaic and rather FLDSish.

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                          • Blueintheface
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                            • Sep 2009
                            • 15382

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                            That doesn't seem that easy to fix.
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                            • SoCalCoug
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                              • Nov 2008
                              • 5214

                              #15
                              Would that game have turned out differently with Manti Te'o in the middle?
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