For those pissed about AP voters that have OU ahead of BYU

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  • Indy Coug
    Heartless Bastard
    • Dec 2008
    • 18747

    #1

    For those pissed about AP voters that have OU ahead of BYU

    Is there some irrevocable law decreed in heaven that the winner of one head-to-head game by a solitary point means that team is definitely better than the other team and therefore should be ranked higher?
    Everything in life is an approximation.

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  • Senioritis
    Mr. Crimson Lover
    • Nov 2008
    • 694

    #2
    I'm certainly not pissed about it, but my answer is:

    Hell yes, there's a law.

    It's week one. Even if OK looked better in their spring game, and has more fans, and makes more money, and would beat BYU in a track meet, and gets pretty much every recruit they ever want, BYU won the freaking game.

    What else matters?

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    • pelagius
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 5288

      #3
      Originally posted by Senioritis View Post
      I'm certainly not pissed about it, but my answer is:

      Hell yes, there's a law.

      It's week one. Even if OK looked better in their spring game, and has more fans, and makes more money, and would beat BYU in a track meet, and gets pretty much every recruit they ever want, BYU won the freaking game.

      What else matters?
      Lord Bayes' rule ... he was a Lord.

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      • Indy Coug
        Heartless Bastard
        • Dec 2008
        • 18747

        #4
        Originally posted by pelagius View Post
        Lord Bayes' rules ... he was a Lord.
        Lord Bayes' understood the concept of Credibility Theory.
        Everything in life is an approximation.

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        • Senioritis
          Mr. Crimson Lover
          • Nov 2008
          • 694

          #5
          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
          Lord Bayes' understood the concept of Credibility Theory.
          Did Tommy Boy also understand Scoreboard Theory?

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          • il Padrino Ute
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 19161

            #6
            If the roles were reversed - I'll give you folks some time to stop laughing about BYU being ranked #3 in a preseason poll -





            and Oklahoma had won the game, I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma would have been ranked higher than BYU in the next poll.

            Of course, the rankings only matter when the season is over, so it's really not an issue.
            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


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            • Senioritis
              Mr. Crimson Lover
              • Nov 2008
              • 694

              #7
              And yes, I was at the Utah vs. Southwest Baptist game.

              Horrific.

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              • TripletDaddy
                sweet triple
                • Nov 2008
                • 58186

                #8
                rankings matter every week. If you are ranked super high, you can more readily absorb an early season loss. It is clear that OU is still in a position (technically) to fight its way into the title game.

                All other things being equal, I would take a high pre-season ranking every time.
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                • pelagius
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 5288

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Senioritis View Post
                  Did Tommy Boy also understand Scoreboard Theory?
                  The scoreboard theory matters but really is a subset of Bayes' rule: it is Bayes' rule when your prior is diffuse (if not you're doing it wrong).

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                  • Indy Coug
                    Heartless Bastard
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 18747

                    #10
                    I'm sure Vegas would've placed SW Baptist as a 10 point favorite in the rematch.
                    Everything in life is an approximation.

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                    • YOhio
                      Hipster Mode
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 26165

                      #11
                      At this point in the season, no BYU fan should be pissed about anything. To quote someone, I think it was Mike Waters or Tex but I can't remember for sure, just enjoy the ride.

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                      • Indy Coug
                        Heartless Bastard
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 18747

                        #12
                        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                        At this point in the season, no BYU fan should be pissed about anything. To quote someone, I think it was Mike Waters or Tex but I can't remember for sure, just enjoy the ride.
                        LOL. MikeWaters could suck the joy out of Exaltation.
                        Everything in life is an approximation.

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                        • pelagius
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 5288

                          #13
                          Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                          At this point in the season, no BYU fan should be pissed about anything. To quote someone, I think it was Mike Waters or Tex but I can't remember for sure, just enjoy the ride.
                          I'm pissed that people ignore Bayes rule ... I consider at least an intitutive understanding (hey I am not even asking for a mathematical understanding) of it the mark of civilized society. If this board continues to ignore its implications things will not turn out well ...

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                          • TripletDaddy
                            sweet triple
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 58186

                            #14
                            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                            At this point in the season, no BYU fan should be pissed about anything. To quote someone, I think it was Mike Waters or Tex but I can't remember for sure, just enjoy the ride.
                            My blood is boiling!

                            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #15
                              Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                              I'm pissed that people ignore Bayes rule ... I consider at least an intitutive understanding (hey I am not even asking for a mathematical understanding) of it the mark of civilized society. If this board continues to ignore its implications things will not turn out well ...
                              Someday I'll teach the scoreboard rule to you Professor.

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