Do you like Max?

[Indy Coug]

yeah, he mentioned these two. But really what it came down to was that he blew the TCU game. I tried to point out that TCU had a top-five D, handed Oklahoma three of its first five sacks of the season, and only dropped games to two national title contenders, but he seemed unconvinced.

Ty Detmer threw 5 picks against Oregon, coughed up the ball twice down the stretch against Penn State to cost them a bowl game, had 5 picks against a crappy Utah State team, lost two games to Hawaii by 42 and 31 points, lost to Texas A&M by 51 and so on and so forth.

For those individuals that feel compelled to bitch and whine they will look at things like the above and ignore the positive.

EDIT: Let's don't forget his careless INT against Iowa in his final game that cost BYU a chance to win instead of tie.

[il Padrino Ute]

yeah, he mentioned these two. But really what it came down to was that he blew the TCU game. I tried to point out that TCU had a top-five D, handed Oklahoma three of its first five sacks of the season, and only dropped games to two national title contenders, but he seemed unconvinced.

You met a true blue zoob. According to zoobs, BYU never loses because the other team was better. The only team that beats BYU is BYU.

[JohnnyLingo]

Ty Detmer threw 5 picks against Oregon, coughed up the ball twice down the stretch against Penn State to cost them a bowl game, had 5 picks against a crappy Utah State team, lost two games to Hawaii by 42 and 31 points, lost to Texas A&M by 51 and so on and so forth.

For those individuals that feel compelled to bitch and whine they will look at things like the above and ignore the positive.

If expecting your QB to perform well in clutch situations against good teams is unreasonable, then so be it.

[Indy Coug]

If expecting your QB to perform well in clutch situations against good teams is unreasonable, then so be it.

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[byu71]

I like Max Hall. Besides that he is the best QB BYU has had in the program the last two years and upcoming year.

If a fan doesn't think he is good enough, don't blame him, blame the coaches for not recruiting a better QB.

As far as I am concerned he is plenty good enough and I have no problem with the coaches not having recruited a better one.

[smokymountainrain]

If expecting your QB to perform well in clutch situations against good teams is unreasonable, then so be it.

It's unreasonable to expect the QB to perform well in every clutch situation, in every game and against every good team they play.

[Indy Coug]

If expecting your QB to perform well in clutch situations against good teams is unreasonable, then so be it.

Max Hall has the best W-L in BYU history for games decided by 7 points or less.

[JohnnyLingo]

Max Hall has the best W-L in BYU history for games decided by 7 points or less.

What are the records of the teams he beat in those close games?

[JohnnyLingo]

It's unreasonable to expect the QB to perform well in every clutch situation, in every game and against every good team they play.

So it was unreasonable to expect a great performance out of him against TCU and Utah last year.

Someone should have told me that before I watched the games.

[Pheidippides]

So it was unreasonable to expect a great performance out of him against TCU and Utah last year.

Someone should have told me that before I watched the games.

On the bright side, you've been told that now. So I suggest you tune out for Oklahoma, FSU, Utah and TCU this year. No fair claiming ignorance this time next year.

[Indy Coug]

What are the records of the teams he beat in those close games?

Does that really matter? Do you really think that's a significant factor compared to other BYU QBs in similar situations? Think carefully before answering.

[Indy Coug]

So it was unreasonable to expect a great performance out of him against TCU and Utah last year.

Someone should have told me that before I watched the games.

Maybe you should stick to religion threads. At least there, you can at least blame your stupidity on an honest effort to be a faithful member. Here, it's just naked ignorance.

[JohnnyLingo]

Does that really matter? Do you really think that's a significant factor compared to other BYU QBs in similar situations? Think carefully before answering.

I sure do think it's significant. And why is Hall being judged against other BYU quarterbacks? I never said I was doing that.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Max Hall has the best W-L in BYU history for games decided by 7 points or less.

What are the records of the teams he beat in those close games?

So it was unreasonable to expect a great performance out of him against TCU and Utah last year.

Someone should have told me that before I watched the games.

Does that really matter? Do you really think that's a significant factor compared to other BYU QBs in similar situations? Think carefully before answering.

I sure do think it's significant. And why is Hall being judged against other BYU quarterbacks? I never said I was doing that.

***eating popcorn****

[Indy Coug]

I sure do think it's significant. And why is Hall being judged against other BYU quarterbacks? I never said I was doing that.

The premise is if BYU has had great QBs in the past, then let's look at how they performed in similar situations to gauge what a reasonable expectation is for the current QB who isn't necessarily a great BYU QB.

If you can determine that the standard you are looking for is not to be consistently found in the great BYU QBs of the past, then you can reasonably conclude that your standard is unreasonable and you are inevitably headed for disappointment.