If it were the Pac-12...

[Fiyero]

The divisions would have to be divided by rivalries for the non-LA schools to even consider it something like;
Division A
Washington State
Oregon State
Cal
USC
Arizona
BYU

Division B
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
Arizona State
Utah

Why would the non-L.A. schools insist on splitting it down the middle of each rivalry?

[TripletDaddy]

I don't look at 4 years of data to determine global climate change and I wouldn't look at 4 years of football data to determine a 10 to 25 year outlook.

directly from the mouths of babes.....

QED.

[Indy Coug]

To allow for the possibility of a rivalry matchup for the conference championship game?

[Eddie]

I've never met anyone who I think would switch.

Would anyone here switch loyalties?

I don't know of any who would switch, and I certainly wouldn't.

What I could see, however, is that with BYU and Utah being in different leagues it would be much easier to cheer for Utah aside for that one game each year that they played BYU. Of course, it would probably take a couple of years to get over the bitter jealousy of being left behind first. But eventually I'd be OK cheering for both.

[Fiyero]

Another thing to consider concerning the idea that BYU or Utah would be worn out in a Pac-10 schedule, is what USC faced last year:

-BYE week before Ohio State
-BYE week before Oregon State
-9 days rest before Oregon
-BYE week before Notre Dame

-Zero short (5 day) weeks like Utah had before Oregon State and TCU

[byu71]

I don't look at 4 years of data to determine global climate change and I wouldn't look at 4 years of football data to determine a 10 to 25 year outlook.

LOL, that is why I don't put a lot of stock into what anal people think.

Anyone who doesn't put an emphasis on recent history and instead wants to look at a 40 to 50 year scenario is, well, is, well let's just say I would only want them figuring out things that relate to things except climate and the movement of tectonic plates.

[TripletDaddy]

LOL, that is why I don't put a lot of stock into what anal people think.

Anyone who doesn't put an emphasis on recent history and instead wants to look at a 40 to 50 year scenario is, well, is, well let's just say I would only want them figuring out things that relate to things except climate and the movement of tectonic plates.

I think you are just mad that you were proven wrong.

[byu71]

I think you are just mad that you were proven wrong.

LOL I just know how much it means to you to be right (even if it is only in your own head), even on something where there is no right or wrong. It doesn't matter to me, so enjoy your victory.

[TripletDaddy]

Another thing to consider concerning the idea that BYU or Utah would be worn out in a Pac-10 schedule, is what USC faced last year:

-BYE week before Ohio State
-BYE week before Oregon State
-9 days rest before Oregon
-BYE week before Notre Dame

-Zero short (5 day) weeks like Utah had before Oregon State and TCU

there was no bye week before Ohio State. Unless almost every NCAA team had a bye week in december when SC played fucla in the final weekend of the season.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Since the 1979 season, BYU has gone 15-22 against the Pac-10. There was a horrid stretch between the 91 and 96 seasons when BYU went 0-7 against the Pac-10. Three of those losses were to UCLA and two were to Washington. The worst game I've ever personally attended in my life was the 1993 game at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. That's saying something because I was at the 1990 Holiday Bowl against aTm.

With the exception of the 1996 season, BYU was fairly irrelevant in the college football world after the 1990 season until Bronco came along. But even when only taking into account 1979-1990 and Bronco's tenure, BYU is still only 10-9 against the Pac-10. Still, I think it's reasonable to expect a .500 record in the Pac-10 if BYU were somehow invited. A breakout year would occur once in awhile. Add in the couple OOC gimmes every year and I know I would be more satisfied with 7-8 win seasons with a breakout season here and there than with the current regime.

[byu71]

Since the 1979 season, BYU has gone 15-22 against the Pac-10. There was a horrid stretch during between the 91 and 96 seasons where BYU went 0-7 against the Pac-10. Three of those losses were to UCLA and two were to Washington. The worst game I've ever personally attended in my life was the 1993 game at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. That's saying something because I was at the 1990 Holiday Bowl against aTm.

With the exception of the 1996 season, BYU was fairly irrelevant in the college football world after the 1990 season until Bronco came along. But even when only taking into account 1979-1990 and Bronco's tenure, BYU is still only 10-9 against the Pac-10. Still, I think it's reasonable to expect a .500 record in the Pac-10 if BYU were somehow invited. A breakout year would occur once in awhile. Add in the couple OOC gimmes every year and I know I would be more satisfied with 7-8 win seasons with a breakout season here and there than with the current regime.

You have to count all games played throughout history. BYU could go back to the Crowton era. BYU could go back to the pre-Lavelle era. The PAC10 shit teams could actually get good again.

Do I have it right DDD and Indy.

[Indy Coug]

LOL, that is why I don't put a lot of stock into what anal people think.

Anyone who doesn't put an emphasis on recent history and instead wants to look at a 40 to 50 year scenario is, well, is, well let's just say I would only want them figuring out things that relate to things except climate and the movement of tectonic plates.

Is that why there are all those SEC/NADC disclaimers about past performance and future returns?

[TripletDaddy]

Since the 1979 season, BYU has gone 15-22 against the Pac-10. There was a horrid stretch between the 91 and 96 seasons when BYU went 0-7 against the Pac-10. Three of those losses were to UCLA and two were to Washington. The worst game I've ever personally attended in my life was the 1993 game at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. That's saying something because I was at the 1990 Holiday Bowl against aTm.

With the exception of the 1996 season, BYU was fairly irrelevant in the college football world after the 1990 season until Bronco came along. But even when only taking into account 1979-1990 and Bronco's tenure, BYU is still only 10-9 against the Pac-10. Still, I think it's reasonable to expect a .500 record in the Pac-10 if BYU were somehow invited. A breakout year would occur once in awhile. Add in the couple OOC gimmes every year and I know I would be more satisfied with 7-8 win seasons with a breakout season here and there than with the current regime.

I was at that Rose Bowl game. JJ Stokes ran all over the place. ugh.

we saw John Walsh's parents having some libations before the game at their tailgate. All decked out in BYU gear, having a legit party. They were very friendly folks. actually, I think it was John Walsh's folks.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I don't think the Pac-10 would ever split up the LA schools in a potential Pac-12.

Here's what I think would happen:

Northern Division:

Washington.
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford

Southern Division:

USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
BYU

[Indy Coug]

I was at that Rose Bowl game. JJ Stokes ran all over the place. ugh.

we saw John Walsh's parents having some libations before the game at their tailgate. All decked out in BYU gear, having a legit party. They were very friendly folks. actually, I think it was John Walsh's folks.

My brother made the mistake of driving from Provo for that game. His solace was getting to sit on the front row of a Jay Leno show.