Fire Kalani

[BigFatMeanie]

Anyone who thinks the decision to go Independent was a Tom Holmoe decision does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe was or is responsible for negotiating entrance into a conference does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe has authority to make independent hiring/firing decisions of head coaches does not understand how BYU works.

BYU's athletic department is not operated like other athletic departments around the country.

Also, note that joining a conference is not the only way to water down a schedule.

[Surfah]

Are these rules for preferred walk-ons (in which case, who cares?) or do they apply to the scholarship athletes (which would be a big deal and news to me)?

Everyone. BYU gets exceptions every year. They've never had more than 10 exceptions in a year. But even for the exceptions they have to meet one or the other of 25 ACT or 3.0 GPA. And if they're an exception, they have a written plan of action for academics. Grad transfers have to be accepted into a graduate program to transfer. JUCOs are easier but they essentially need a 3.0 and associates degree.

[SCcoug]

Are these rules for preferred walk-ons (in which case, who cares?) or do they apply to the scholarship athletes (which would be a big deal and news to me)?

They get a few to several exceptions per year.

[Applejack]

When Bronco was around it was a 3.0-3.3 and 19 ACT and he could have preferred walk ons.

Now preferred walk-ons have to be admitted like a normal student at BYU which means higher than a 3.0 and higher than a 25 ACT.

I think it’s what Hans is talking about how a few people are ruining BYU football.

Are these rules for preferred walk-ons (in which case, who cares?) or do they apply to the scholarship athletes (which would be a big deal and news to me)?

[fusnik]

because he has proven so far to not know what he has doing, had the worst season in 40 years. somehow bronco managed not to do so

Bronco played in the MW for the first 6 years. His last 5 were in independence.

2011 - 10-3 / 1-3 vs P5
2012 - 8-5 / 3-2 vs P5
2013 - 8-5 / 1-5 vs P5
2014 - 8-5 / 3-0 vs P5 but losses to USU, UCF, UNR and BSU
2015 - 9-4 / 1-4 vs P5

He’s been mediocre to put it kindly at UVA.

He bailed because he knew he couldn’t compete against the upcoming schedules. They only get worse from here on out.

He wins at a 40% clip against P5.

That means this year he goes 2-3 against the schedule.

You might think he wins all 3 against BSU, USU, NIU but i doubt it. Benefit of the doubt he goes 1-2 against those teams this year and BYU finishes 7-5.

[Maximus]

Why does KS deserve to be fired?

The institutional impediments are insane.

Don’t athletes have to have a 25 ACT and 3.0 gpa to get in? And he gets 3-5 exceptions per year? They also can’t drink and bang girlfriends.

Stanford is a 26 ACT. Stanford’s coaching staff says they have a pool of 40 kids per year that are recruitable. That means BYU has maybe 20 legitimate recruit targets a year.

You can’t schedule a P5 schedule when more than half your kids aren’t P5 players.

Name one player on BYU that starts at Utah? Bushman?

because he has proven so far to not know what he has doing, had the worst season in 40 years. somehow bronco managed not to do so

[Goatnapper'96]

Why is it mutually exclusive? Both deserve to be canned.

I am not sure both deserve to be canned but I agree that it is possible that BYU has set up its football HC for a meatgrinder experience and it is still possible that the HC is not real good at his job. Kalani in year 3 as a HC went 2-3 against BCS teams, I think that is pretty good for BYU, and 4-3 against non-BCS teams, which I don't think is real good. Granted he played two really good non BCS teams but the HC at BYU that goes 4-3 against the non-BCS programs on the schedule is not doing well, IMO.

I think Mendenhall would have gone 8-4 this year. He would have won two out of BSU, USU and NIU.

[SCcoug]

Link?

Former on-campus recruiting assistant Moose Bingham talked about it last Monday during the second hour of Criddle's show.

[fusnik]

Link?

When Bronco was around it was a 3.0-3.3 and 19 ACT and he could have preferred walk ons.

Now preferred walk-ons have to be admitted like a normal student at BYU which means higher than a 3.0 and higher than a 25 ACT.

I think it’s what Hans is talking about how a few people are ruining BYU football.

[fusnik]

not in the least.

The schedule next year is so dumb.

At home against Utah. Travel to Tennesse. At home against USC and UW. Travel to Ohio. Travel to Florida.

Good lord the person who thought that was a good idea. But congrats BYU fan because instead of winning a MW championship and having regional rivals with history, you get to see your team get their asses kicked for 6 weeks and limp into the last half of a schedule where you might lose 1-2 games against those same MW teams you are so loathe to avoid.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Lol fire KS?

Some people are so dumb.

What’s the best BYU team of the past 20 years? Hall’s senior year? Becks senior year? Domains senior year?

You replace any of those teams with this years team and they go what? 9-3 maybe?

The person to go is Holmoe.

Independence is awful, he navigated P5 inclusion insanely bad, his scheduling while it looks cool is absolutely idiotic.

If the team starts 0-6 next year would you really be that surprised?

Hey stranger.

[Applejack]

Why does KS deserve to be fired?

The institutional impediments are insane.

Don’t athletes have to have a 25 ACT and 3.0 gpa to get in? And he gets 3-5 exceptions per year? They also can’t drink and bang girlfriends.

Stanford is a 26 ACT. Stanford’s coaching staff says they have a pool of 40 kids per year that are recruitable. That means BYU has maybe 20 legitimate recruit targets a year.

You can’t schedule a P5 schedule when more than half your kids aren’t P5 players.

Name one player on BYU that starts at Utah? Bushman?

Link?

[smokymountainrain]

If the team starts 0-6 next year would you really be that surprised?

not in the least.

[fusnik]

I disagree that it's time to fire Kalani. The pool of LDS coaches is just too shallow. If Sitake falls on his face in 2019, then I can get behind showing him the door. Perhaps they go try to pull one of Bronco's guys away from UVA (my personal pick would be Poppinga, but that's just based on the fact that he strikes me as a hard working dude who understands the pros and cons of BYU...I have no idea if he would be a good HC).

In addition, I think this squad needs some continuity. We started a lot of young players this year. In two years, this could be a really special team. But I do think Grimes either needs to go or needs to turn over play calling duties to an assistant.

A special year in 2020 is 9-3.

They probably split the first 4 and will lose one to either USU, BSU or Stanford.

[Green Monstah]

I disagree that it's time to fire Kalani. The pool of LDS coaches is just too shallow. If Sitake falls on his face in 2019, then I can get behind showing him the door. Perhaps they go try to pull one of Bronco's guys away from UVA (my personal pick would be Poppinga, but that's just based on the fact that he strikes me as a hard working dude who understands the pros and cons of BYU...I have no idea if he would be a good HC).

In addition, I think this squad needs some continuity. We started a lot of young players this year. In two years, this could be a really special team. But I do think Grimes either needs to go or needs to turn over play calling duties to an assistant.