Fire Kalani

[SCcoug]

Are these rules for preferred walk-ons (in which case, who cares?) or do they apply to the scholarship athletes (which would be a big deal and news to me)?

They get a few to several exceptions per year.

[Surfah]

Are these rules for preferred walk-ons (in which case, who cares?) or do they apply to the scholarship athletes (which would be a big deal and news to me)?

Everyone. BYU gets exceptions every year. They've never had more than 10 exceptions in a year. But even for the exceptions they have to meet one or the other of 25 ACT or 3.0 GPA. And if they're an exception, they have a written plan of action for academics. Grad transfers have to be accepted into a graduate program to transfer. JUCOs are easier but they essentially need a 3.0 and associates degree.

[BigFatMeanie]

Anyone who thinks the decision to go Independent was a Tom Holmoe decision does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe was or is responsible for negotiating entrance into a conference does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe has authority to make independent hiring/firing decisions of head coaches does not understand how BYU works.

BYU's athletic department is not operated like other athletic departments around the country.

Also, note that joining a conference is not the only way to water down a schedule.

[All-American]

Anyone who thinks the decision to go Independent was a Tom Holmoe decision does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe was or is responsible for negotiating entrance into a conference does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe has authority to make independent hiring/firing decisions of head coaches does not understand how BYU works.

BYU's athletic department is not operated like other athletic departments around the country.

Also, note that joining a conference is not the only way to water down a schedule.

Although I love that we now need to water down the schedule.

[fusnik]

Are these rules for preferred walk-ons (in which case, who cares?) or do they apply to the scholarship athletes (which would be a big deal and news to me)?

Lol.

Having a pool of tweener kids every year you can get into your school to fill out your scout team is a big deal. BYU won’t have that going forward. KS is unable to develop a 6’3” 165lb LB into a rotation guy because that kid now has to have a 30 and a 3.8 gpa. Unlike at Utah where you can invite a ton of kids like that each year to walk-on. You also can take flyers on kids because you can invite the semi smart kids on as PWOs and get them financial help elsewhere. A semi smart PWO kid at Utah playing football and at BYU playing football are oceans apart. Also how do you fill out a scout team with kids who literally have to be Stanford level academic kids?

If you don’t see why that isn’t a big deal I don’t know what to tell you.

[USUC]

Lol.

Having a pool of tweener kids every year you can get into your school to fill out your scout team is a big deal. BYU won’t have that going forward. KS is unable to develop a 6’3” 165lb LB into a rotation guy because that kid now has to have a 30 and a 3.8 gpa. Unlike at Utah where you can invite a ton of kids like that each year to walk-on. You also can take flyers on kids because you can invite the semi smart kids on as PWOs and get them financial help elsewhere. A semi smart PWO kid at Utah playing football and at BYU playing football are oceans apart. Also how do you fill out a scout team with kids who literally have to be Stanford level academic kids?

If you don’t see why that isn’t a big deal I don’t know what to tell you.

Holy shit, is this true? Who forced the change? Insanity.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Anyone who thinks the decision to go Independent was a Tom Holmoe decision does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe was or is responsible for negotiating entrance into a conference does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe has authority to make independent hiring/firing decisions of head coaches does not understand how BYU works.

BYU's athletic department is not operated like other athletic departments around the country.

Also, note that joining a conference is not the only way to water down a schedule.

Anyone who thinks that ADs at any school can independently make these decisions without guidance or approval from university admin does not understand how universities work.

[fusnik]

Anyone who thinks the decision to go Independent was a Tom Holmoe decision does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe was or is responsible for negotiating entrance into a conference does not understand how BYU works.
Anyone who thinks Tom Holmoe has authority to make independent hiring/firing decisions of head coaches does not understand how BYU works.

BYU's athletic department is not operated like other athletic departments around the country.

Also, note that joining a conference is not the only way to water down a schedule.

Obviously it’s not run like any other school. Name a school that has vacated basketball wins and placed their football team into purgatory and hasn’t made changes at the AD level?

What’s the point of watering down the schedule and not have any conference championship or bowl tie ins to show for it?

[cougjunkie]

I keep seeing this argument over and over here. It is like an article of faith to handwringing byu fans. But what should BYU be doing that they are not? Which resources are you talking about?

We spend $20-30 million a year less than an average P5.

[Hot Lunch]

Everyone. BYU gets exceptions every year. They've never had more than 10 exceptions in a year. But even for the exceptions they have to meet one or the other of 25 ACT or 3.0 GPA. And if they're an exception, they have a written plan of action for academics. Grad transfers have to be accepted into a graduate program to transfer. JUCOs are easier but they essentially need a 3.0 and associates degree.

This is false. The exception for a scholarship football player at BYU is that they need to meet the NCAA requirements. That is all. I don't care what has been said on the radio or can be found in an article online. I laugh at this narrative. Yes, I have inside knowledge on this situation and I trust this individual. Once they are in, the academic requirements are very demanding.

[cougjunkie]

Lol.

Having a pool of tweener kids every year you can get into your school to fill out your scout team is a big deal. BYU won’t have that going forward. KS is unable to develop a 6’3” 165lb LB into a rotation guy because that kid now has to have a 30 and a 3.8 gpa. Unlike at Utah where you can invite a ton of kids like that each year to walk-on. You also can take flyers on kids because you can invite the semi smart kids on as PWOs and get them financial help elsewhere. A semi smart PWO kid at Utah playing football and at BYU playing football are oceans apart. Also how do you fill out a scout team with kids who literally have to be Stanford level academic kids?

If you don’t see why that isn’t a big deal I don’t know what to tell you.

This is correct. And why we have kids like Matt Criddle playing. He was honorable mention All-state his senior year, and didn't even make 1st team all-region. Yet if BYU played today as a RS freshman he is the starting OLB. He has never played OLB in his entire life.

But he had 3.9 GPA and 34 ACT with a little athleticism. BYU is forced to fill out the roster with guys like this. When you play an insanely tough schedule, you get beat up. Depth is a huge issue.

Go listen to Moose Bingham when he was on 960 last week. He was BYUs on campus recruiting coordinator.

3.0 and a 25 ACT before BYU can even offer a schollie.

Kalani gets less than 10 exceptions a year, and when he does the hoops he has to jump through are out of control. They need a fully written plan that has to be presented to admissions so these kids are not set up to fail.

If a walk-on drops below a 3.0 in college, he is cut. A PWO needs a 3.0 and 25 ACT, if you are not a PWO, you need to get in under BYUs regular admission standards (3.9 and 30)

BYU does not take non-qualifiers.

JC you must have a 3.0 and Associates (the only example of them going after a kid who didn't have that was Garrett Bolles)

Grad Transfers have to be accepted in to a graduate program. They don't give them any exceptions. Harvey Jackson is working on Wall Street right now, Jordan Leslie was an engineering grad, Keanu Nelson was a Stanford grad/transfer and is now in law school. That's the time of kid it takes to add a grad transfer.

So we can pretend BYU will get a kid in to school if they really want him and that football players are given preferential treatment. And to a certain extent they are, but those admissions standards are way harder than just about any school in the country. And again allowing fewer than 10 exceptions a season goes back to why BYU struggles with depth.

[Hot Lunch]

I was told 3-5 per year by 2 people, one a complete dumbass but knows people. The other impeccable.

I would trust your guy obviously.

I wouldn’t put it past people at BYU not being honest with my dude. They’ve been dishonest to put it mildly multiple times over the past couple of years about some key issues.

I don't doubt that you have been told this. I know of a few individuals in the program that talk openly about all the time. There are a handful of individuals that will do all they can to make sure the administration is enemy #1. What I was told is the ecclesiastical endorsement is the most important. As long as that comes in, a kid that doesn't have a 3.0 or 25 on the ACT can get it in if he meets the NCAA requirements and is wanted by the coaching staff. There are many on the roster now that were recruited by both Kalani and Bronco. Bronco's public campaign makes me laugh the most. Kalani isn't out pounding this drum like Bronco. Bronco on the other hand would talk about it any chance he would get and many players he brought in fell below these standards.

[cougjunkie]

This is false. The exception for a scholarship football player at BYU is that they need to meet the NCAA requirements. That is all. I don't care what has been said on the radio or can be found in an article online. I laugh at this narrative. Yes, I have inside knowledge on this situation and I trust this individual. Once they are in, the academic requirements are very demanding.

They didn't say (That I heard anyways) what an exception consisted of. So this may be correct. Just that Kalani gets less than 10 per year. And it is usually between 5-7.

[fusnik]

I think we can all agree that BYU is a harder recruit than Stanford and the pool of viable kids is smaller. Throw in missions, lack of walk ons and the job is basically impossible. BYU fans have this inflated sense of importance and standing in the football world. Name a season in the last 20 that BYU is a top 5 team? Name consecutive seasons in the past 20 where BYU goes back to back top 10 finishes?

BYU is performing right where they should, 40% win rate against P5s, toss ups against the MW, and wins against all the others in the schedule.

Rational expectations should be 40% against P5, 70% against the MW, and 90% against everyone else.

This year you had a freshman QB and a new OC what did people expect?

They should extend him for 2 years so you don’t have a lame duck recruiter, let next year be a building block because next year is going to be awful, and evaluate after the 2020 season.

[Jeff Lebowski]

We spend $20-30 million a year less than an average P5.

Sure, but those aren't resources that we currently have. We bring in $20-30 million a year less than the average P5.