The Official BYU 2015 Death to Us by Everyone We Meet Watch Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't be such a dip shit. Do you have any idea how many non-lds kids there are in the US alone. I would think a global warming expert would have an idea. Do you think the countless non-LDS BYU grads you know represent 2% of the non-lds kids in the US?

What percent of non-LDS kids have the academics to even get into BYU? Try thinking before reacting.

Just because 98% wouldn't fit at BYU doesn't mean BYU isn't a great University.

Talk about someone getting trolled. Have any mirrors around?

As usual, you are swinging wildly but missing everything. Nobody is talking about non-lds kids that don't attend BYU. Duh. The assertion in question is that BYU is a toxic environment for 98% of the non-lds kids that actually attend. That would mean that 98% of the non-lds kids that attend BYU have a horrible experience and regret it later. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[byu71]

As usual, you are swinging wildly but missing everything. Nobody is talking about non-lds kids that don't attend BYU. Duh. The assertion in question is that BYU is a toxic environment for 98% of the non-lds kids that actually attend. That would mean that 98% of the non-lds kids that attend BYU have a horrible experience and regret it later. Nothing could be further from the truth.

LOL

I went back and read his comments. He didn't say a thing about kids that actually attend. Of course I forget that you always know what someone means even if they don't specifically state it and the rest of us are obligated to discuss things based on your interpretation.

You ought to offer your services to Hillary.

So we don't have to go on and on with this, based on your interpretation, I agree with you. I hope that gives you the tingle somewhere you seem to need.

[Jeff Lebowski]

LOL

I went back and read his comments. He didn't say a thing about kids that actually attend. Of course I forget that you always know what someone means even if they don't specifically state it and the rest of us are obligated to discuss things based on your interpretation.

You ought to offer your services to Hillary.

You are inventing a meaningless distinction in an attempt to weasel out of the corner you are in. But let's humor you and explore this further. If you agree that most of the non-LDS kids that attend have a great experience, then in what context does that 98% figure have any meaning? And please recall that this entire discussion is in the context of whether a BYU athlete WHO ATTENDED BYU should re-enroll.

[byu71]

You are inventing a meaningless distinction in an attempt to weasel out of the corner you are in. But let's humor you and explore this further. If you agree that most of the non-LDS kids that attend have a great experience, then in what context does that 98% figure have any meaning? And please recall that this entire discussion is in the context of whether a BYU athlete WHO ATTENDED BYU should re-enroll.

I didn't know there were rules that in the whole thread everyone has to post in context with how you determine what the thread is about. I can't discuss on those terms. You get to debate and set the rules and then judge. LOL Your lackies may agree to that, but not me.

Now, I was responding to MP and don't recall asking you to be part of the conversation. I especially didn't expect you to jump in and call me a name, but it doesn't surprise me. I replied to MP by supporting Bronco and indicating he does let the non-LDS kid know what he was in for. Note, we are talking about a kid who isn't in yet, but being recruited.

Now, I still maintain 98% of the kids out there are not a good fit for BYU. That doesn't make the kids bad nor BYU not a great institution. Good for Bronco for going the extra mile to give the kid who attends the best shot at becoming part of the 2%.

[TripletDaddy]

[byu71]

Good Post!!!

[Jeff Lebowski]

I didn't know there were rules that in the whole thread everyone has to post in context with how you determine what the thread is about. I can't discuss on those terms. You get to debate and set the rules and then judge. LOL Your lackies may agree to that, but not me.

Now, I was responding to MP and don't recall asking you to be part of the conversation. I especially didn't expect you to jump in and call me a name, but it doesn't surprise me. I replied to MP by supporting Bronco and indicating he does let the non-LDS kid know what he was in for. Note, we are talking about a kid who isn't in yet, but being recruited.

Now, I still maintain 98% of the kids out there are not a good fit for BYU. That doesn't make the kids bad nor BYU not a great institution. Good for Bronco for going the extra mile to give the kid who attends the best shot at becoming part of the 2%.

NOBODY, including (and especially) Bronco, has ever claimed that BYU is a good fit for all, or even most non-lds kids. In that context, the statement is meaningless.

I am not setting any rules. I am just pointing out a ridiculous, over-the-top statement by funk. One that you happened to agree with.

[Paperback Writer]

Agreed. Most of my friends at BYU were non-LDS. All great fits, by the way, because they interviewed a lot of places and knew what was up. Did they think the honor code was weird? Sure- so did I. But nobody cared because of the gigantic discount on a good degree.

But that gigantic discount is not as gigantic for non-LDS as they pay twice as much for tuition. That still means BYU is a good value in comparison to other private universities but I wouldn't consider it a "gigantic" discount. Depending on state of residence, there may be equal or better public university options for the price.

When it comes to "fit" at a university, that's very personal. Some of my kids didn't feel they "fit" at BYU while others did and enrolled. Not all LDS feel they "fit" at BYU, myself included. But it was far from a toxic experience. I've never regretted transferring to and graduating from BYU. The Dude is correct, BYU is a bad experience for very, very few students, LDS or non-LDS.

[byu71]

NOBODY, including (and especially) Bronco, has ever claimed that BYU is a good fit for all, or even most non-lds kids. In that context, the statement is meaningless.

I am not setting any rules. I am just pointing out a ridiculous, over-the-top statement by funk. One that you happened to agree with.

I have to laugh. So if I say rain falls from the sky, your response is "nobody, has ever claimed rain didn't fall from the sky"? Go back and read my response to Funk.

I don't know how you interpreted that as agreement, maybe partial, but not agreement. Seriously, Hillary could use you.

thanks for the chit chat, but I am off to play golf. You are always a great warm up for the real serious head games that go on.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So if I say rain falls from the sky, your response is "nobody, has ever claimed rain didn't fall from the sky"?

Logic fail.

[Crockett]

Perfect

[falafel]

But that gigantic discount is not as gigantic for non-LDS as they pay twice as much for tuition. That still means BYU is a good value in comparison to other private universities but I wouldn't consider it a "gigantic" discount. Depending on state of residence, there may be equal or better public university options for the price.

When it comes to "fit" at a university, that's very personal. Some of my kids didn't feel they "fit" at BYU while others did and enrolled. Not all LDS feel they "fit" at BYU, myself included. But it was far from a toxic experience. I've never regretted transferring to and graduating from BYU. The Dude is correct, BYU is a bad experience for very, very few students, LDS or non-LDS.

It is still a gigantic discount. Notre Dame is currently $46,000 a year. Non-LDS will pay what, $10,000 year? Clemson, which is tied with BYU for #62, is $31,000.

[thesaint258]

I'm sitting in a CLE, and I tried to keep my chuckling to a minimum. I was only moderately successful and got a strange look from the guy sitting next to me.

[Joe Public]

Bronco has resumed calling the plays on defense. Is he also coaching the defense in practice like he previously has done? Pursuit drill jokes aside, it seems to make a big difference w/r/t the buy-in of the players on defense. If so, is Howell coaching the secondary?

[Commando]

Bronco has resumed calling the plays on defense. Is he also coaching the defense in practice like he previously has done? Pursuit drill jokes aside, it seems to make a big difference w/r/t the buy-in of the players on defense. If so, is Howell coaching the secondary?

Yeah- I noticed Kai Nacua saying in one of the post-practice interviews that "it's just different this year- guys want to be around each other and do everything together," telling me that team unity and morale is up. Probably helps that the inexperienced guy w the personality of a crusty jock strap doesn't hold the keys to PT dangling around his neck, either.