BYU recruiting: adequate

[Topper]

This confirms what is known at all universities that I posted above. Local talent is more likely to contribute and complete eligibility. Lets not pretend. What folks here have said is that BYU needs to recruit the "skill positions" outside of Utah by going to "the south, California, Texas." What they mean is that BYU needs more black players because black players are genetically superior athletes. Your defense of Utah recruiting is accurate and the trend will likely continue as it has across the country. Your scholarship numbers also put to rest the false argument apparently put forth by Ogletree that BYU focuses too much on Utah recruiting. But these guys don't want more non-Utah recruits. They want more black recruits. That would all be good and well, but the color of their skin really doesn't matter since out-of-state recruits are less likely to contribute. Utah is a white state. Maybe someday they will open up BYU - Rio de Janero and we could send a bunch of black transfers up to BYU-Provo (I'd say BYU-Texas, but the baptismal rate in Brasil is much higher, I am told). Until then, sounds like the coaching staff is focusing on non-Utah recruits perhaps more than is even warranted. Maybe if they kept 50% of the schollies in Utah they might have more of the "Diamond-in-the-rough" guys that Topper wants so that he can see them play in the NFL someday, assuming they are playing for a team his wife will allow him to watch.

We want four and five star athletes many of whom happen to be black.

[MarkGrace]

Thanks, CJ, I was actually hoping you'd do something like this.

What they mean is that BYU needs more black players because black players are genetically superior athletes. Your defense of Utah recruiting is accurate and the trend will likely continue as it has across the country. Your scholarship numbers also put to rest the false argument apparently put forth by Ogletree that BYU focuses too much on Utah recruiting. But these guys don't want more non-Utah recruits. They want more black recruits.

I don't think skin color is what is being meant at all. When I mentioned "major contributors" earlier, I was really shuffling through my head the star players that have come through the program and where they were from.

QB:
Beck - AZ
Hall - AZ
Hill - ID

RB:
Staley - OR
Brown - CA
Unga - UT
Williams - CA

WR:
Collie - CA
Hoffman - CA

TE:
Harline - UT
Pitta - CA

On defense I don't know who the true stars would be. Jensen, Kehl, etc. were all standouts relatively speaking, but I don't know that there's been a true star on defense outside of KVN in a good while, and he's from NV. But my earlier thoughts were not terribly comprehensive -- I just started thinking of the biggest names to come through the program and they predominantly seemed to be from states other than Utah. And taking a look at most of those names the bulk are white or poly.

At any rate, I think CJ's post kind of puts to bed the argument. The biggest names jump out as not being from Utah, but clearly the meat-and-potatoes contributors have high representation from Utah.

[cougjunkie]

Thanks, CJ, I was actually hoping you'd do something like this.



I don't think skin color is what is being meant at all. When I mentioned "major contributors" earlier, I was really shuffling through my head the star players that have come through the program and where they were from.

QB:
Beck - AZ
Hall - AZ
Hill - ID

RB:
Staley - OR
Brown - CA
Unga - UT
Williams - CA

WR:
Collie - CA
Hoffman - CA

TE:
Harline - UT
Pitta - CA

On defense I don't know who the true stars would be. Jensen, Kehl, etc. were all standouts relatively speaking, but I don't know that there's been a true star on defense outside of KVN in a good while, and he's from NV. But my earlier thoughts were not terribly comprehensive -- I just started thinking of the biggest names to come through the program and they predominantly seemed to be from states other than Utah. And taking a look at most of those names the bulk are white or poly.

At any rate, I think CJ's post kind of puts to bed the argument. The biggest names jump out as not being from Utah, but clearly the meat-and-potatoes contributors have high representation from Utah.

One observation...our best O-lines are the ones comprised primarily of in-state kids.

This past year was our worst in a long time and part time starters Ryker Mathews and Kyle Johnson were the only Utahns in the 10 man rotation.



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[old_gregg]

I typed up a nice long post comparing Utah players to Non-Utah players but I deleted it on accident.

Non-Utah players represent about 2/3rds of all recruiting classes and BYU has a 30% success rate with them actually contributing on the field and/or completing their eligibility at BYU.

Utah players make up 1/3 of all recruiting classes, and BYU has a 66% success rate with them contributing and completing their eligibility.

Completing your eligibility and contributing may go hand in hand as the more years you stay in school the more opportunities you have to contribute. But it seems BYU hits on a higher percentage of Utah kids than non-Utah kids.

The 2004 and 2009 recruiting classes were really bad for Non-Utah kids.

why is there no popular stat analysis of recruiting? seems like an interesting niche that hasn't really been filled.

[cougjunkie]

why is there no popular stat analysis of recruiting? seems like an interesting niche that hasn't really been filled.

The recruiting era is relatively new. Scout.com only goes back to 2001. If you think back as early as you can to BYUs biggest recruiting miss most people start with Haloti Ngata. It was such a huge deal because we were able to get play by play coverage. Same with the recruitment of Ben Olson.

I think we are getting close to having enough data available to make some conclusions. It would be fun to sort production by star rating, state, recruiter, etc. That would be really interesting.

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[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The recruiting era is relatively new. Scout.com only goes back to 2001. If you think back as early as you can to BYUs biggest recruiting miss most people start with Haloti Ngata. It was such a huge deal because we were able to get play by play coverage. Same with the recruitment of Ben Olson.

I think we are getting close to having enough data available to make some conclusions. It would be fun to sort production by star rating, state, recruiter, etc. That would be really interesting.

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On a slow winter day last year I went through the top 100 from Scout's 2001 list I wonder it that sheet I made got saved to my new computer I'll have to check.

[New Mexican Disaster]

CJ you forgot Hine from Utah this year.