The 2020 Boise State Decline Watch

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  • oxcoug
    Dolphins Rape Hipsters
    • Dec 2009
    • 5309

    #1

    The 2020 Boise State Decline Watch

    In the next several years BSU will recede into its natural state of mediocrity and national irrelevance.

    Their ridiculously impressive run has been largely sustained by Petersen's genius and his ability to create and sustain an aura of perennial national visibility, always on the verge of busting the BCS, always hovering near or in the top 10. This has enabled him to attract talent that would otherwise never consider playing for an inconsequential state school in a frozen truck stop of a town hundreds of miles from any town with decent weather and / or clubs. Comparable programs in better locations - Fresno (yes, I've been there, and it's a better location than Boise, as is Bakersfield), Utah, USU, SDSU, Hawaii - will begin to chip away at the athletes that have kept the BSU machine going.

    Between 2008 and 2012 they lost a total four times in the regular season. The last time they lost three times in the regular season was 2005. But that year they had a three year starter coming back for the next year and rebounded quickly in spectacular fashion for 2006. Since 2002 BSU has had four undefeated regular seasons and four one-loss regular seasons, with three two-loss regular seasons and - before this year - only one three-loss regular season.

    Much will depend on how they show next year - they're a good bet to lose to Ole Miss on August 28, and October 25 BYU will have a chance to gash them into another multiple loss regular season (and a third straight year outside of the program-sustaining life force of being the perennial BCS busting buzz).

    Nebraska isn't a direct comparable but there's one parallel - no one actually wants to be in Lincoln, Nebraska - and once the aura of national relevance was punctured it started losing out on its biggest recruits to other programs. Resurgence happens (Texas, USC, Oklahoma and Alabama have all faded and surged back) but it doesn't happen in locations that suck, are freezing cold and where there is no institutional depth to help the lagging football team revive. USC, Oklahoma and Texas can bounce back from mediocrity in part because there is a critical mass of excellence and competitiveness around them - both in other sports and in their academic institutions. Florida State and Alabama can revive because they have deep histories of football tradition and sit in the middle of huge recruiting grounds and because they have huge followings who have little else to do with their lives.

    Once Boise State is off the BCS buster radar for a season or two it will be nearly impossible to bring it back their recruiting prospects stop eating the grass.

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    Last edited by oxcoug; 10-29-2013, 07:23 AM.
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  • Pelado
    Bald not naked
    • Sep 2010
    • 21212

    #2
    Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
    In the next several years BSU will recede into its natural state of mediocrity and national irrelevance.

    Their ridiculously impressive run has been largely sustained by Petersen's genius and his ability to create and sustain an aura of perennial national visibility, always on the verge of busting the BCS, always hovering near or in the top 10. This has enabled him to attract talent that would otherwise never consider playing for an inconsequential state school in a frozen truck stop of a town hundreds of miles from any town with decent weather and / or clubs. Comparable programs in better locations - Fresno (yes, I've been there, and it's a better location than Boise, as is Bakersfield), Utah, USU, SDSU, Hawaii - will begin to chip away at the athletes that have kept the BSU machine going.

    Between 2008 and 2012 they lost a total four times in the regular season. The last time they lost three times in the regular season was 2005. But that year they had a three year starter coming back for the next year and rebounded quickly in spectacular fashion for 2006. Since 2002 BSU has had four undefeated regular seasons and four one-loss regular seasons, with three two-loss regular seasons and - before this year - only one three-loss regular season.

    Much will depend on how they show next year - they're a good bet to lose to Ole Miss on August 28, and October 25 BYU will have a chance to gash them into another multiple loss regular season (and a third straight year outside of the program-sustaining life force of being the perennial BCS busting buzz).

    Nebraska isn't a direct comparable but there's one parallel - no one actually wants to be in Lincoln, Nebraska - and once the aura of national relevance was punctured it started losing out on its biggest recruits to other programs. Resurgence happens (Texas, USC, Oklahoma and Alabama have all faded and surged back) but it doesn't happen in locations that suck, are freezing cold and where there is no institutional depth to help the lagging football team revive. USC, Oklahoma and Texas can bounce back from mediocrity in part because there is a critical mass of excellence and competitiveness around them - both in other sports and in their academic institutions. Florida State and Alabama can revive because they have deep histories of football tradition and sit in the middle of huge recruiting grounds and because they have huge followings who have little else to do with their lives.

    Once Boise State is off the BCS buster radar for a season or two it will be nearly impossible to bring it back their recruiting prospects stop eating the grass.

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    I reject the bolded characterization of my home town. It is rarely frozen, there are lots of truck stops (not just one), and a lot of people like all four seasons.
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    • HuskyFreeNorthwest
      Time to camp
      • Nov 2008
      • 26082

      #3
      Originally posted by Pelado View Post
      I reject the bolded characterization of my home town. It is rarely frozen, there are lots of truck stops (not just one), and a lot of people like all four seasons.
      Plus not far from the Garden of Eden truck stop, that's my favorite.
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      • Goatnapper'96
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 10930

        #4
        Originally posted by Pelado View Post
        I reject the bolded characterization of my home town. It is rarely frozen, there are lots of truck stops (not just one), and a lot of people like all four seasons.
        Ya if he stopped being such a pretentious west coast dick he might find a female member of his tribe, likely from its geographical position of population power within the US, who might be willing to marry his virgin ass and let him tap it.

        ARISE YE NOBLE SONS OF THE 208!

        I didn't even read OxCoug's post but I think Boise is going to continue to be consistently good as long as they have solid coaches. It also helps when they have the best college qb leading their team for 4 straight years. Unfortunately for them the kid poised to be the best college qb for the next two seasons, while being a NOBLE SON OF THE 208, is projected to lead the BYU!
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        • beefytee
          Board eye candy
          • Mar 2009
          • 7542

          #5
          You compare Boise State to Nebraska, but I think that Boise has more closely paralleled Marshall (although I have no idea how Hungtinton, WV compares to Boise recruiting-wise).

          They had similar meteoric rises from the 1-AA ranks and had no problem dominating 1-A doormat leagues. They then used that success to move up leagues. Marshall from the MAC to C-USA and BSU from the Big West to the WAC to the MWC.

          Marshalls dominance preceded BSU's by about 5 years. Boise has risen further and has lasted longer, but I imagine they will fade in national prominence as Marshall did.

          The big difference between the two is that Marshall was never given the opportunity to show how good they were on the big stage.

          Unfortunately for Marshall, access to BCS games started coming as their success was starting to wind down.

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          • wapiti
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 2064

            #6
            When Chris Petersen has a great QB his teams will be great. When they have average QB play, they won't be very good.

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            • Uncle Ted
              The Big 12 money shot.
              • Apr 2010
              • 28853

              #7
              Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
              Nebraska isn't a direct comparable but there's one parallel - no one actually wants to be in Lincoln, Nebraska - and once the aura of national relevance was punctured it started losing out on its biggest recruits to other programs. Resurgence happens (Texas, USC, Oklahoma and Alabama have all faded and surged back) but it doesn't happen in locations that suck, are freezing cold and where there is no institutional depth to help the lagging football team revive. USC, Oklahoma and Texas can bounce back from mediocrity in part because there is a critical mass of excellence and competitiveness around them - both in other sports and in their academic institutions. Florida State and Alabama can revive because they have deep histories of football tradition and sit in the middle of huge recruiting grounds and because they have huge followings who have little else to do with their lives.
              Nebraska. Do we have a summon PBW picture?


              A better comparable would be TCU. They are sinking fast to the bottom of the Big 12 pool going into the losers playoffs against West Virginia, Iowa State, and Kansas State. As for location, have you been to cowtown?

              Edit: BSU's and TCU's basketball programs are very comparable as well.
              Last edited by Uncle Ted; 10-29-2013, 08:54 AM.
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              • Art Vandelay
                Striving for mediocrity
                • Jul 2009
                • 10516

                #8
                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                Ya if he stopped being such a pretentious west coast dick he might find a female member of his tribe, likely from its geographical position of population power within the US, who might be willing to marry his virgin ass and let him tap it.

                ARISE YE NOBLE SONS OF THE 208!

                I didn't even read OxCoug's post but I think Boise is going to continue to be consistently good as long as they have solid coaches. It also helps when they have the best college qb leading their team for 4 straight years. Unfortunately for them the kid poised to be the best college qb for the next two seasons, while being a NOBLE SON OF THE 208, is projected to lead the BYU!
                A literal laugh out loud, on that one. Though in fairness to ox, I think he is primarily a pretentious east coast d***.

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                • Blueintheface
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 15382

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                  A literal laugh out loud, on that one. Though in fairness to ox, I think he is primarily a pretentious east coast d***.
                  I'm especially impressed with the people he meets in public bathrooms back East.
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                  • Art Vandelay
                    Striving for mediocrity
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 10516

                    #10
                    Originally posted by wapiti View Post
                    When Chris Petersen has a great QB his teams will be great. When they have average QB play, they won't be very good.
                    I don't know how much of it was coaching, but I know a lot of his success is primarily the luck of offering Kellen Moore. Moore was a great HS qb, at a small little football factory, where his dad was the coach. I could be wrong, but I don't recall him receiving any interest from schools of any size. As BYU knows all too well post-Detmer, talents like that (especially at that size) are extremely rare. Even with all else being equal to BSU's glory days, they will lose 1-2 more games a year than they did with Moore. It was hard to get a feel for their receivers on TV, but it sure didn't look like they had the speed or talent they've had previously.

                    Actually now that i think about it, Petersen's greatest accomplishment may have been keeping Titus Young eligible for 4 years. That guy had a ton of talent, and even more issues.

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                    • oxcoug
                      Dolphins Rape Hipsters
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 5309

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                      Ya if he stopped being such a pretentious west coast dick he might find a female member of his tribe, likely from its geographical position of population power within the US, who might be willing to marry his virgin ass and let him tap it.

                      ARISE YE NOBLE SONS OF THE 208!

                      I didn't even read OxCoug's post but I think Boise is going to continue to be consistently good as long as they have solid coaches. It also helps when they have the best college qb leading their team for 4 straight years. Unfortunately for them the kid poised to be the best college qb for the next two seasons, while being a NOBLE SON OF THE 208, is projected to lead the BYU!
                      You read it, you carpet-bagging 805-er. (To be fair, Simi Valley is the Midwest of Southern CA).
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                      • falafel
                        loves to talk on things
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 38030

                        #12
                        Boise will stay up until Peterson leaves. Luckily, that is likely to happen as soon as the next season of Justified starts filming.

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                        • smokymountainrain
                          Impressive Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 22593

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                          I don't know how much of it was coaching, but I know a lot of his success is primarily the luck of offering Kellen Moore. Moore was a great HS qb, at a small little football factory, where his dad was the coach. I could be wrong, but I don't recall him receiving any interest from schools of any size. As BYU knows all too well post-Detmer, talents like that (especially at that size) are extremely rare. Even with all else being equal to BSU's glory days, they will lose 1-2 more games a year than they did with Moore. It was hard to get a feel for their receivers on TV, but it sure didn't look like they had the speed or talent they've had previously.
                          A young SMR, early in 2007, while Kellen Moore was still in High School, predicted Boise's success with Kellen Moore and even invoked the name of Detmer as a comparison to the kid out Prosser.

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                          • oxcoug
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                            • Dec 2009
                            • 5309

                            #14
                            Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                            A young SMR, early in 2007, while Kellen Moore was still in High School, predicted Boise's success with Kellen Moore and even invoked the name of Detmer as a comparison to the kid out Prosser.

                            http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=2391742
                            Damn, that was a pretty good call.
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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #15
                              Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                              You read it, you carpet-bagging 805-er. (To be fair, Simi Valley is the Midwest of Southern CA).
                              WOW! You just insulted a former officer of the United States Army. Way to support our troops, oxcoug.

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