Bronco Recruits Air

[BoylenOver]

I'll worry about this when we stop winning games. We were in the hunt for a conference championship until the last game of the regular season. The year before, we were undefeated. Correct me if I'm wrong but undefeated in conference and two losses to top 10 teams in conference aren't bad conference finishes. In fact, I think we might be looking at a fourth 10 win year in a row.

This is my exact sentiment from a Ute POV. Utah fans are wetting themselves because BYU lost convincingly to two of the best teams to ever play in the MWC last year, and struggled against CSU, UNLV, and U-Dub, but I'm not buying into this "return to 2002" idea until I see it happen.

It could happen this year, because it's not easy to replace virtually your entire offensive line and your leading receiver, and the defense will have to improve, but with their favorable schedule and senior QB, I'm not holding my breath.

[HotBox]

Actually at the skill positions,,,,WR/TE/RB/QB....I'd argue we're pretty well stocked for the long haul.

Which RB/QB is going to push for the MWC Championship again in 2010-2011? The ones that haven't played a down of college football or the ones that can't get off the bench and when they do, they fumble?

[HotBox]

I am wondering where HotBox thinks the cupboard was left bare when Crowton left? Do you mean when Crowron got here? I think we are still using talent brought in by Crowton.

We no longer have 15 WRs of which the best is Andrew Ord.

Yes, that is what I meant. No question the lineup was terrible, imagine, there was a time when Toby Christensen was our go to guy...ugh.

[Brian]

So considering Utah and TCU are good teams...what will the excuses be if we beat both teams for the 3rd time in 4 years? Aside from U fans complaining about the refs in our 2 last wins.

If you win, you are the better team. Refs don't decide games.

My excuse would be that we were the inferior team.

But given what Kyle seems to be able to do, I'm not going to worry about it.
He kicks your ass with better talent and takes it to the wire with lesser talent.

I actually like the CB recruiting we've done the past few seasons and I think Andrew Rich will be a very good Safety at BYU when it's all said and done.

Pass the bong, dude.


One good safety. That'll git 'r done.

[RockyBalboa]

Which RB/QB is going to push for the MWC Championship again in 2010-2011? The ones that haven't played a down of college football or the ones that can't get off the bench and when they do, they fumble?

You're right. We're doomed and going to suck.

[RockyBalboa]

If you win, you are the better team. Refs don't decide games.

My excuse would be that we were the inferior team.

But given what Kyle seems to be able to do, I'm not going to worry about it.
He kicks your ass with better talent and takes it to the wire with lesser talent.



Pass the bong, dude.


One good safety. That'll git 'r done.

Ask Braden Godfrey if he remembers Andrew Rich.

I actually like Shiloah Te'o and Craig Bills as backups. Both are good players. Te'o will be a starter in '10 and an All-MWC Safety before he's done at BYU...and Bills is one of our more highly recruited guys from the last class...but of course he's going on a mission right after this season is over.

Scott Johnson will be the other starting Safety...I've always been meh on him, but others like him.

I admit I have serious concerns about the defense this year...we're gonna be razor thin at DL and at OLB.

[cougjunkie]

Bronco has definitely gone away from his previous approach of letting kids recruit BYU. He has offered more non-LDS kids in this class then he has his previous 3 years combined. He is going for speed, speed and more speed. We have 2 running back commits already and offers out for 3 more. He may be taking the TCU approach to recruit speed and athleticism and then move them around. Same reason he has been recruiting so many TE/DE hybrids, you know the 6'4 220 guys. They can play TE, DE, WR, OLB, and even beef up and play OT.

My only problem is that he needs to start landing the top LDS polys.

[byu71]

BYU football is not as good as some people like to make it out to be based on the 10 win seasons the last three years. It certainly isn't as bad as others want to make it out to be. To be sure we are a top non-BCS program.

I really think it would be hard to successfully argue that BYU's program since Bronco arrived, stands above Utah, TCU or Boise State.

Perhaps the vast majority of Cougar fans are happy, even elated at being in the upper echelon of the non-BCS. One could easily argue the upper echelon of the non-BCS is superior to the mid to lower level of the BCS.

As far as I am concerned I am not overly focused on the record. It is more about what excitement and entertainment was provided during the year. I would far rather go 9-3 with this years schedule than 11-1 with Northern Iowa and Tulsa on our schedule instead of Oklahoma and Florida St.

Even with this great home schedule, ticket sales are off. People aren't willing to pay as much for the East Side seats anymore. Sure the economy is part of it, but it shows when people have to decide about how to spend their discretionary dollars, they look at product.

[Indy Coug]

Bronco has definitely gone away from his previous approach of letting kids recruit BYU.

Bronco never relied on kids recruiting BYU. For crying out loud, he has offered dozens of athletes scholarships earlier than any previous BYU head coach ever did. He's not some passive figurehead sitting on a throne in the bowels of LES awaiting his petitioners. All he meant by players having to recruit BYU is that the recruiting process needs to be reciprocative; just like you would expect with a job interview or any other aspect of life where people are trying to create a mutually beneficial arrangement.

[byu71]

Bronco never relied on kids recruiting BYU. For crying out loud, he has offered dozens of athletes scholarships earlier than any previous BYU head coach ever did. He's not some passive figurehead sitting on a throne in the bowels of LES awaiting his petitioners. All he meant by players having to recruit BYU is that the recruiting process needs to be reciprocative; just like you would expect with a job interview or any other aspect of life where people are trying to create a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Indy, what is your need to rewrite history when it comes to what BYU coaches did or meant.

You are a stats guy. How many non-LDS kids did BYU offer the last two years vs this recruiting cycle? We are giving the guy credit for spotting things that need to change. That is a compliment not a negative statement.

[il Padrino Ute]

Bronco never relied on kids recruiting BYU. For crying out loud, he has offered dozens of athletes scholarships earlier than any previous BYU head coach ever did. He's not some passive figurehead sitting on a throne in the bowels of LES awaiting his petitioners. All he meant by players having to recruit BYU is that the recruiting process needs to be reciprocative; just like you would expect with a job interview or any other aspect of life where people are trying to create a mutually beneficial arrangement.

And "Quest for Perfection" wasn't about going undefeated.

[Indy Coug]

Indy, what is your need to rewrite history when it comes to what BYU coaches did or meant.

You are a stats guy. How many non-LDS kids did BYU offer the last two years vs this recruiting cycle? We are giving the guy credit for spotting things that need to change. That is a compliment not a negative statement.

Offering non-LDS players has nothing to do with his statement that "players need to recruit us". That's a different issue. Undoubtedly BYU has offered more non-LDS players this cycle (or at least we are AWARE of more non-LDS athletes this time around), but the fact remains that BYU is not and has not been passive in its recruiting.

[byu71]

Offering non-LDS players has nothing to do with his statement that "players need to recruit us". That's a different issue. Undoubtedly BYU has offered more non-LDS players this cycle (or at least we are AWARE of more non-LDS athletes this time around), but the fact remains that BYU is not and has not been passive in its recruiting.

I don't equate "players need to recruit us" as being passive. I think coaches worked their butts off recruiting kids. However, I do think they, or at least the head coach, bought into the idea that if someone doesn't recognize what a great honor it is to be at BYU, they aren't worthy of being at BYU.

If you want to say the rhetoric was loftier than the actual actions, I would agree. However, to the orthodox fans, they took it as I stated it. Go back and read the posts. Ainge Era Cougs are particularly enlightening and the pat on the backs he got for his position on the subject.

I don't remember you coming to my aid when I stated we need a 20-30% non-LDS ratio and a team full of RM's won't cut it, if we want to rise to elite status.

[Coach McGuirk]

I guess I should pay more attention. Man, talk about slower than slow. How long has everyone known that RT was gonzo?

[Indy Coug]

I don't remember you coming to my aid when I stated we need a 20-30% non-LDS ratio and a team full of RM's won't cut it, if we want to rise to elite status.

I don't remember the specific instance you're referring to here. Sure, it'd be nice to have 20%-30% non-LDS players if you can manage to keep them in school. Given the non-LDS attrition rates, you probably would have to sign 40%-50% non-LDS recruits just to yield a 20%-30% net figure. Meanwhile, have fun trying to plug in the holes left in their wake.

It will be interesting to do a cost/benefit analysis of the ongoing expansion of our recruiting pool in 4 years or so.