The Big 10 Expansion Groundswell

[Jeff Lebowski]

One thing is for certain. ND pissed off the wrong person and it looks like they may pay dearly for it..

If all this does in fact take place and the ACC goes the way of the Dodo Bird.. Delany has just systematically crippled their "Other Programs" and ND will be left to go find another home. Where?? Who knows..

I have to admit, that was a brilliant chess move.

[wapiti]

We do not know if the Big 12 would even accept that.. Its one thing to have and eat your cake in ACC or BE. But its another to request that in the Big 12 or Big 1G... I am not so sure the Big 12 would allow that..


Who knows.. But it could get interesting if the ACC does fall...

Rumor was that ND had the same offer from both the Big 12 and the ACC. If the ACC explodes ND's leverage goes down some but I still think the Big 12 would make it work. It would be good for the conference and stick it to the BIG.

[The_Douger]

Or they are just waiting patiently for Tex/Oklahoma contingent to come to their rightful place.

Their rights are signed away. They can't leave for like 8 years.

Texas and Oklahoma schools in the PAC12 is stupid anyways.

[wapiti]

I think both teams deliver a lot more than just their market, especially during basketball season.

What market(s) would demand to have a conference TV network on a tier 1 cable package in order to get Duke/UNC as a package but not individually? That's the only question that matters.

The uptick in ratings/inventory for the national contract is dwarfed by the local market cable subscription fees. That's why BYU's national following was irrelevant to the PAC. Utah delivered the local market and that was good enough.

[pellegrino]

I see a different level of hatred there Pellegrino.. What gives?

it's simple really. he eats babies, for breakfast even.

(btw, it's called hyperbole, not meant to be taken literally)

[YOhio]

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/sta...99435546329088

ACC has filed lawsuit against Maryland to ensure Terps pay full $50M exit fee

[dabrockster]

Rumor was that ND had the same offer from both the Big 12 and the ACC. If the ACC explodes ND's leverage goes down some but I still think the Big 12 would make it work. It would be good for the conference and stick it to the BIG.

I'm not so sure I believe that rumor...

[YOhio]

Fascinating read on Maryland's move.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...f15_story.html

[dabrockster]

it's simple really. he eats babies, for breakfast even.

(btw, it's called hyperbole, not meant to be taken literally)

Well. If by "Babies", you mean gobbling up schools into the belly of the BIG 1G then I can agree...

[wapiti]

I'm not so sure I believe that rumor...

I think the rumor makes some sense but it might not be true. Nevertheless, I don't think ND will have any trouble landing on its feet should the ACC disappear. The BIG's move was really for its own benefit. The fact that it also causes ND to scramble a bit is just gravy.

If ND had made its agreement with the Big 12 rather than the ACC, I don't think the BIG would have picked up Kansas rather than Maryland.

[Cougarmandias]

One thing is for certain. ND pissed off the wrong person and it looks like they may pay dearly for it..

If all this does in fact take place and the ACC goes the way of the Dodo Bird.. Delany has just systematically crippled their "Other Programs" and ND will be left to go find another home. Where?? Who knows..

ND made a little deal with the devil. Nat. Champs. this year in return for College Football blowing itself up.

[Scratch]

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/sta...99435546329088

This is almost certainly intended primarily to make other teams think twice about jumping ship.

The ACC will have a very hard time winning that lawsuit, I believe, since Maryland didn't vote for the increase. Could a conference ever vote that schools could never leave the conference and enforce that clause against a school that voted against the rule? Not a chance, and I imagine this will be viewed similarly.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is almost certainly intended primarily to make other teams think twice about jumping ship.

The ACC will have a very hard time winning that lawsuit, I believe, since Maryland didn't vote for the increase. Could a conference ever vote that schools could never leave the conference and enforce that clause against a school that voted against the rule? Not a chance, and I imagine this will be viewed similarly.

I think those massive exit fees are a terrible idea. I would love to see this shot down in court.

[PaloAltoCougar]

This is almost certainly intended primarily to make other teams think twice about jumping ship.

The ACC will have a very hard time winning that lawsuit, I believe, since Maryland didn't vote for the increase. Could a conference ever vote that schools could never leave the conference and enforce that clause against a school that voted against the rule? Not a chance, and I imagine this will be viewed similarly.

It may depend on what the conference's charter/constitution/whatever provided for at the time exit fee clause was added. If the charter empowered the members to impose exit fees by a less than unanimous vote, and Maryland approved the charter (which it obviously did, since it's a member), then Maryland's attempt to void the exit clause may not be all that strong.

Like most cases, this will settle somewhere south of the max. sought for by the ACC, and well north of where Maryland would have liked.

[Scratch]

It may depend on what the conference's charter/constitution/whatever provided for at the time exit fee clause was added. If the charter empowered the members to impose exit fees by a less than unanimous vote, and Maryland approved the charter (which it obviously did, since it's a member), then Maryland's attempt to void the exit clause may not be all that strong.

Like most cases, this will settle somewhere south of the max. sought for by the ACC, and well north of where Maryland would have liked.

That would certainly strengthen the ACC's claim. I guess along those lines I would be surprised if the charter said anything that specific, although it may have language regarding what a majority vote can and cannot force on other members.

Furthermore, short of an explicit ratification of limitless exit fees, I imagine they would have a hard time enforcing the exit fees because they are so outside the realm of earlier exit fees used by the ACC and other conferences that $50 million would be deemed to be well beyond the contemplation of the schools when the charter (or whatever) was created.