Andy Reid for BYU head coach groundswell...

[SeattleUte]

It's so cute you'd like us to go back to that disaster of a conference with our tails between our legs.

No thanks.

I'm just trying to help, as always. You can neener us about the rocky transiction to the Pac 12. Fire away.

[The_Douger]

I'm just trying to help, as always. You can neener us about the rocky transiction to the Pac 12. Fire away.

Not really my style to neener. I'm more of someone who enjoys the chaos on the hill quietly, while I eat a Harmon's donut and sip a diet Coke.

I find great irony that most Utah fans think it would be a great idea to go back to the MWC.

Then again, you were never serious with this idea. You were trolling to begin with, amirite?

[Flystripper]

I'm just trying to help, as always. You can neener us about the rocky transiction to the Pac 12. Fire away.

I, for one, am grateful for your mentoring; however, though your heart is pure, your efforts to convince BYU fans that the MWC (with BSU and SDSU) is the best option for BYU athletics will not be well received. Since your assessment of the situation is correct, I would prefer that you extol the virtues of independence in order to garner support for the MWC.

TIA

[SeattleUte]

Then again, you were never serious with this idea. You were trolling to begin with, amirite?

No. If you review the record I have always been appalled at BYU going independent. It caused me to lose a lot of respect for BYU. It seemed on the rebound from Utah joining the Pac. I was surprised at the impetuousness of the move and lack of confidence it evinced. I don't get the MWC hate. The MWC was in a golden age at the time, having won multiple BCS bowl games and was starting to make extra-Utah inroads into the NCAA tournament. Finally, I felt and I think it's being borne out that BYU simply doesn't have the horsepower to be independent and make it work. BYU needs a conference. The MWC is a solid conference. The record speaks for itself; I was never trolling about this issue. I think many (progressive) BYU fans agree with me.

[CJF]

I was never trolling about this issue. I think many (progressive) BYU fans agree with me.

[The_Douger]

No. If you review the record I have always been appalled at BYU going independent. It caused me to lose a lot of respect for BYU. It seemed on the rebound from Utah joining the Pac. I was surprised at the impetuousness of the move and lack of confidence it evinced. I don't get the MWC hate. The MWC was in a golden age at the time, having won multiple BCS bowl games and was starting to make extra-Utah inroads into the NCAA tournament. Finally, I felt and I think it's being borne out that BYU simply doesn't have the horsepower to be independent and make it work. BYU needs a conference. The MWC is a solid conference. The record speaks for itself; I was never trolling about this issue. I think many (progressive) BYU fans agree with me.

I've heard this before, but I don't see how it was a knee jerk reaction with the infrastructure strangely all being in place right when Utah was keen on leaving.

It truly was a good conference with Utah, TCU, and Boise coming on board, but without those first two teams, it's not nearly as attractive.

Nobody cares if you win that conference as it's currently composed.

[RC Vikings]

I don't get the MWC hate. The MWC was in a golden age at the time, having won multiple BCS bowl games and was starting to make extra-Utah inroads into the NCAA tournament. Finally, I felt and I think it's being borne out that BYU simply doesn't have the horsepower to be independent and make it work. BYU needs a conference. The MWC is a solid conference. The record speaks for itself; I was never trolling about this issue. I think many (progressive) BYU fans agree with me.

I've got to agree with SU on this one. Get SDSU and BSU back in and it's a good conference.

[Jarid in Cedar]

It's so cute you'd like us to go back to that disaster of a conference with our tails between our legs.

No thanks.

I think BYU may allow pride to get into the way of making a good decision. I don't know if that is the MWC or the WAC/MWC 3.0, but I think that there is too much pride to allow some folks to admit that independence was a bad idea.

IMO, if they had not jumped and stayed in the MWC for 2011, they would have been in the B-12 in 2012.

[pellegrino]

I think BYU may allow pride to get into the way of making a good decision. I don't know if that is the MWC or the WAC/MWC 3.0, but I think that there is too much pride to allow some folks to admit that independence was a bad idea.

IMO, if they had not jumped and stayed in the MWC for 2011, they would have been in the B-12 in 2012.

this is probably the most correct answer/analysis I've seen on the topic.

[CJF]

I think BYU may allow pride to get into the way of making a good decision. I don't know if that is the MWC or the WAC/MWC 3.0, but I think that there is too much pride to allow some folks to admit that independence was a bad idea.

IMO, if they had not jumped and stayed in the MWC for 2011, they would have been in the B-12 in 2012.

Independence was always a bad idea. I was against it and said we would have a schedule that looked like Navy's in Oct and Nov. We have. I also thought the MWC with BSU replacing Utah was a still solid conference. But that ship has sailed. There is no turning back. BSU is already on the schedule long term. So what would BYU get in returning? A crappy commissioner with a less than stellar TV agreement, and still playing crappy teams in most Octobers and Novembers. Going back now only makes the problem worse.

Edit. Meant for this to be a reply to RC.

[Indy Coug]

Independence was always a bad idea. I was against it and said we would have a schedule that looked like Navy's in Oct and Nov. We have. I also thought the MWC with BSU replacing Utah was a still solid conference. But that ship has sailed. There is no turning back. BSU is already on the schedule long term. So what would BYU get in returning? A crappy commissioner with a less than stellar TV agreement, and still playing crappy teams in most Octobers and Novembers. Going back now only makes the problem worse.

This is my opinion, almost word for word.

[CJF]

This is my opinion, almost word for word.

I'm on a flight home and honest to goodness, sitting next to an actuary right now. Nice guy. Maybe I channeled a little bit of you.

[Indy Coug]

I'm on a flight home and honest to goodness, sitting next to an actuary right now. Nice guy. Maybe I channeled a little bit of you.

Holy crap. What company does he work for?

[The_Douger]

I think BYU may allow pride to get into the way of making a good decision. I don't know if that is the MWC or the WAC/MWC 3.0, but I think that there is too much pride to allow some folks to admit that independence was a bad idea.

IMO, if they had not jumped and stayed in the MWC for 2011, they would have been in the B-12 in 2012.

You have no idea if that's true. While I want BYU to join the B12 more than anything and have for years, I don't really think it was that close to happening.

[The_Douger]

This is my opinion, almost word for word.

Me too.

I never liked it, but I like it better than going back to that, especially if we already have Boise on the schedule for a decade.