Ziggy Ansah

[Jacob]

It may be both that Ziggy was well coached AND under utilized, right? And I think he was a little under utilized until he wasn't.

[Shaka]

A few things:

This really shouldn't be a compare/contrast of EM's talents and Ziggy's. they play different positions...it just so happens that EM's injury spread us so thin that Ziggy got his chance at DE.

Second, BM was clear that Ziggy would be used in pass-rush situations, which played out the first three games. If I understand you correctly, you say that Ziggy could not defend the run, which is why he wasn't an every-down player. Could your critique be at least partially attributed to BM's stated desire to use Ziggy as primarily a pass rusher?

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[All-American]

It may be both that Ziggy was well coached AND under utilized, right? And I think he was a little under utilized until he wasn't.

Of course he was under-utilized. He clearly would have been the better choice at QB, for example.

[Jacob]

Of course he was under-utilized. He clearly would have been the better choice at QB, for example.

That goes without saying.

[lambdacoug]

Of course he was under-utilized. He clearly would have been the better choice at QB, for example.

Mr. Bean would have been better as well...

[Green Monstah]

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Okay. Why is that not a possibility? The thing that bothers me about the guys who purport to know football is that often their only response is, "I know football." Which is pretty weak sauce IMO.

Here's my take on Ziggy (I've never played a down of football)

His soph and junior years he came in for special teams and mop up time. I noticed a few things about him: 1. His stance. He lined up like he was starting a 200m dash- ass high in the air. When the ball was snapped, he was far too upright and the O-lineman could control him easily. When I saw him take the field in the Wazzu game I noticed he was lower in his stance and had a more powerful initial push off the line. Although he is obviously good at maki g his initial move inside or outside to shed the defender and make a play. I was also impressed a few times early on with his ability to recognize and defend a screen play, although I'm sure he got burned a few times as well.

Cons on Ziggy are that he sometimes has Troy me shedding his blocker. I attribute this to his propensity for becoming too upright out of his stance.

What are your thoughts? Am I in left field?

[Surfah]

Reading some of the pre-Senior Bowl reports is funny. NFL.com called him a Slider because of his poor showing in one-on-one drills. Some of the comments in that article are interesting, one guy calls him a 7th rounder.

Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, DE, BYU: Ansah is one of the most physically gifted players in this draft class, but he showed this week that he still has a lot of developing to do. During pass-rush periods, he repeatedly tried to work through the numbers of the offensive tackle, but his bull rush was rarely effective. He flashed one inside-spin move, but otherwise was predictable and unsuccessful in his pass-rushing attempts. Some teams are concerned with what transpired this week, while others are still bullish on the incredible upside of the BYU defender.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story/...-ansah-too-raw

This is why Ziggy as a prospect is so intriguing. For me, I want the guy that shows up and produces in games. Who cares about the practice All-Star? The knock against Ziggy is that he only has one pass rush move and that is his bull rush between the numbers of the OT. Well if he can be that damn productive with just one move I draft him if I have a DE need and coach him up. Imagine what he can do if he adds a rip, swim and spin. If Ziggy can add technique (I think he can and will) to his already incredible instinct as well as better conditioning he's going to be a player for years in the NFL.

[Shaka]

Okay. Why is that not a possibility? The thing that bothers me about the guys who purport to know football is that often their only response is, "I know football." Which is pretty weak sauce IMO.

Here's my take on Ziggy (I've never played a down of football)

His soph and junior years he came in for special teams and mop up time. I noticed a few things about him: 1. His stance. He lined up like he was starting a 200m dash- ass high in the air. When the ball was snapped, he was far too upright and the O-lineman could control him easily. When I saw him take the field in the Wazzu game I noticed he was lower in his stance and had a more powerful initial push off the line. Although he is obviously good at maki g his initial move inside or outside to shed the defender and make a play. I was also impressed a few times early on with his ability to recognize and defend a screen play, although I'm sure he got burned a few times as well.

Cons on Ziggy are that he sometimes has Troy me shedding his blocker. I attribute this to his propensity for becoming too upright out of his stance.

What are your thoughts? Am I in left field?

In this thread I never said that although it is factually correct. For the life of me I can't figure out what you're expecting to get out of this. Ziggy is about to be drafted in the first round. How can that be looked as anything other than a positive?

[Indy Coug]

In this thread I never said that although it is factually correct. For the life of me I can't figure out what you're expecting to get out of this. Ziggy is about to be drafted in the first round. How can that be looked as anything other than a positive?

GM is under the illusion that because Ziggy appeared to be fully ready once he was made the starter that he was fully ready significantly earlier than when he got the call. Prior to 2012, it was clear Ziggy had no effing clue what he was doing and he was much more passive. At some point this year the light bulb went on and his added confidence resulted in him being a much more aggressive player. His career trajectory was just about picture perfect and a large amount of that credit goes to the coaching staff.

[Coach McGuirk]

In this thread I never said that although it is factually correct. For the life of me I can't figure out what you're expecting to get out of this. Ziggy is about to be drafted in the first round. How can that be looked as anything other than a positive?

Because GM could have taken a player from Ghana who had never heard of football, taught him the game in 15 minutes, and had him drafted #1 as a Junior. All while never having coached football before, let alone played a down.

[jay santos]

GM is under the illusion that because Ziggy appeared to be fully ready once he was made the starter that he was fully ready significantly earlier than when he got the call.

I think GM is probably right, technically. If you look at Ziggy's PT over the years especially the beginning of this year, there might have been periods where his talent and readiness surpassed his PT. How big of a deal is this? Probably not that big of a deal. That's probably where GM is wrong. The defense was very good this year. We had a lot of talent and depth on the line. If Bronco was starting losers and our D sucked or if Ziggy never got off the bench all season, then it would be a different story.

[Indy Coug]

I think GM is probably right, technically. If you look at Ziggy's PT over the years especially the beginning of this year, there might have been periods where his talent and readiness surpassed his PT. How big of a deal is this? Probably not that big of a deal. That's probably where GM is wrong. The defense was very good this year. We had a lot of talent and depth on the line. If Bronco was starting losers and our D sucked or if Ziggy never got off the bench all season, then it would be a different story.

There are individual game videos out on Youtube that show each defensive play that Ziggy was on the field for 2012. He got a ton of reps during the first 3 games of the season, so quibbling about whether or not he was a starter during that span is an academic one at best. He saw plenty of playing time the entire year.

[Green Monstah]

GM is under the illusion that because Ziggy appeared to be fully ready once he was made the starter that he was fully ready significantly earlier than when he got the call. Prior to 2012, it was clear Ziggy had no effing clue what he was doing and he was much more passive. At some point this year the light bulb went on and his added confidence resulted in him being a much more aggressive player. His career trajectory was just about picture perfect and a large amount of that credit goes to the coaching staff.

Indy, before you speak, read what I wrote. I fully understand (and acknowledge above) that the Sophomore and Junior-year versions of Ziggy were not game ready.

However, what I saw in the Wazzu game was a different player, altogether. My point is this: he improved; he was a playmaker after he became a starter, but the only reason he got that chance was due to the fact we were thin at DL after the third game. This represents a failure on the part of his coaches to recognize that he had the ability this season to perform at a higher level.

[Green Monstah]

Because GM could have taken a player from Ghana who had never heard of football, taught him the game in 15 minutes, and had him drafted #1 as a Junior. All while never having coached football before, let alone played a down.

Lol.

So, you know football, but reading isn't high on your list of strengths.

I guess that fits the bill.

[Indy Coug]

Indy, before you speak, read what I wrote. I fully understand (and acknowledge above) that the Sophomore and Junior-year versions of Ziggy were not game ready.

However, what I saw in the Wazzu game was a different player, altogether. My point is this: he improved; he was a playmaker after he became a starter, but the only reason he got that chance was due to the fact we were thin at DL after the third game. This represents a failure on the part of his coaches to recognize that he had the ability this season to perform at a higher level.

Read my post immediately after your reply...