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  • #61
    Originally posted by All-American View Post
    I'm sure he doesn't, and I'm even more sure that he shouldn't.
    Do you think it is a good idea that we all know without a doubt he doesn't give a crap what we think?

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    • #62
      Even MJ was mad they went for two, and that was before they snapped the ball. She'd be a better situational coach than Bronco.
      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
        BSU's defense may have been wearing down. They certainly weren't on the field as much as our defense, but I'll grant you that. If we call the defenses a wash, then it boils down to whose offense is more likely to move the ball in OT. That's a no-brainer.
        Why are the defenses a wash? How many 95 yard drives did BYU's defense give up? How many short-field opportunities did BSU have and fail to put a single point on the board? Boise got 3 turnovers that gave them the ball inside the 40 yard line and didn't score. Hill never started outside his own 15 and scored a TD. The defenses were not a wash.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by wapiti View Post
          Why are the defenses a wash? How many 95 yard drives did BYU's defense give up? How many short-field opportunities did BSU have and fail to put a single point on the board? Boise got 3 turnovers that gave them the ball inside the 40 yard line and didn't score. Hill never started outside his own 15 and scored a TD. The defenses were not a wash.
          They gave up more points on D; We gave up more yards. If we have an advantage, I think it's a small one, but not one great enough to overcome. You think BSU in overtime is a treat? Ask OU how that worked for them!!
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
            He may be right, but I'll take inferences and deductions based on actual statistics over arguments that BM killed the defense's warm fuzzies for future games (and I'm not trying to bag on Fusnik here; I would be willing to bet that 95% of the defensive starters liked the call at the time it was made. That's how they seem to operate as a unit--no excuses, carpe diem! And yes, I realize that pure conjecture on my part).
            This is a funny post. You want actual statistics and then pull a 95% stat out of your behind.

            Here's a stat for XPs. Riley Stephenson and Justin Sorenson haven't missed one at BYU. They are a combined 62-62. That play and decision has resulted in one point 100% of the time. One point that would have tied the game.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by byu71 View Post
              Do you think it is a good idea that we all know without a doubt he doesn't give a crap what we think?
              I don't really care, to be honest.

              Would you prefer a coach who says to himself, "I think that X is the decision that will give us the best chance to win the game, but the fans will hate me for it, so I will go with Y"? Criticize all you want his thinking that one decision was more likely to win the game than the other, but as far as placating the fan base goes, Bronco's got it right where it belongs on his list of priorities.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by All-American View Post
                I don't really care, to be honest.

                Would you prefer a coach who says to himself, "I think that X is the decision that will give us the best chance to win the game, but the fans will hate me for it, so I will go with Y"? Criticize all you want his thinking that one decision was more likely to win the game than the other, but as far as placating the fan base goes, Bronco's got it right where it belongs on his list of priorities.
                Most people strongly disagree with your assessment of the decision.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                  Not a bad idea. However, I think that most good coaches have internalized those odds in at least a general way so that they don't have to go with their gut in the heat of the moment. I bet Bronco knows, I think he just goes with his instincts from situation to situation rather than consistently take an approach with occasional deviations. Nobody jump on me for this, but is there any chance Bronco thinks he's being led by the Spirit? Is that just completely stupid idea? Because it is not always easy to discern a pattern to his thinking.
                  Good lord.

                  We know you arent Mormon.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by All-American View Post
                    I don't really care, to be honest.

                    Would you prefer a coach who says to himself, "I think that X is the decision that will give us the best chance to win the game, but the fans will hate me for it, so I will go with Y"? Criticize all you want his thinking that one decision was more likely to win the game than the other, but as far as placating the fan base goes, Bronco's got it right where it belongs on his list of priorities.
                    Not a soul would have questioned him had he sent the game into overtime and then lost. Because it was the common sense decision.

                    That call was similar to Chris Peterson faking the punt on his own 20. Yeah it might work, but if it doesn't, you are exposed as an idiot.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                      This is a funny post. You want actual statistics and then pull a 95% stat out of your behind.

                      Here's a stat for XPs. Riley Stephenson and Justin Sorenson haven't missed one at BYU. They are a combined 62-62. That play and decision has resulted in one point 100% of the time. One point that would have tied the game.
                      Stay on task Surfah, my conjecture was only to counter Fusnik's (that was sort of the point, and I'm sorry you missed it...I was too subtle).

                      You get a big eyeroll on that one. I'm not disputing that they'd have made the PAT. It was surefire make. I'll even grant it was a surefire ticket to OT. I don't think it was a surefire win, however. That's what it boils down to: is BYU more likely to prevail in OT or more likely we punch it in for two and win right now?

                      What do you think? Based on what you saw, did you have confidence that we could score more points than BSU on a 25-yard field? If so, can you point to anything specific that lends credence to your belief?
                      Last edited by Green Monstah; 09-21-2012, 08:28 AM.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by All-American View Post
                        I don't really care, to be honest.

                        Would you prefer a coach who says to himself, "I think that X is the decision that will give us the best chance to win the game, but the fans will hate me for it, so I will go with Y"? Criticize all you want his thinking that one decision was more likely to win the game than the other, but as far as placating the fan base goes, Bronco's got it right where it belongs on his list of priorities.
                        While I wouldn't have done it, I can completely accept his deciding to do it.

                        What will irk me is if he indicates fans who disagree with him are stupid. Some pretty smart coaches probably would have done what he did and some wouldn't have.

                        What is bull shit is to treat the fans as if their job is to sit in the stands, cheer and support. In other words be good members and support the brethern and keep your yapper shut. Basically appreciate the blessing it is to be a BYU fan.

                        Well that is a great way to kill fan enthusiasm, except of course for the celestial kingdom fans.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by fusnik View Post
                          Good lord.

                          We know you arent Mormon.
                          I think UD was joking....at least I hope he was

                          I found it funny.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
                            Most people strongly disagree with your assessment of the decision.
                            actually the results are fairly mixed on the call-in show this morning. And I don't see why random phone callers are any less qualified to opine than random message board posters!
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                              I think UD was joking....at least I hope he was

                              I found it funny.
                              If he was, masterful. If not, WTF??
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                                actually the results are fairly mixed on the call-in show this morning. And I don't see why random phone callers are any less qualified to opine than random message board posters!
                                Not less qualified but the Gofortwoers are still wrong
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