BYU's football program

[WashingtonCoug]

On the red and blue show yesterday they said Matt Reynolds is about 15 lbs. overweight. If your star OLineman is 15 lbs. over weight, then my guess is the other lineman are in the same range or higher.

[Shaka]

I get this, but at the same time I think it's a bit silly. I don't think there is a correct way. We discussed this some in other threads. Of course an environment where leaders emerge organically is ideal, but that doesn't always happen. In fact I think it doesn't happen that often. Leaders emerge because the coach has designated them a leader. IMO, this is where Bronco failed. What you describe in the last paragraph is a very old school approach to a new game and new generation of players. I don't think the path you describe needs to exist. I much prefer the Uncle Pete approach.

It can be rough for a coach to wave a magic wand and pronounce leadership on a player. I firmly believe a coach should never do this with a freshman. I suppose there is a bit of leeway at the QB position as the starter is expected to take a leadership role by default. With that said the players are going to follow who they are going to follow. There still needs to be some organization to the leadership structure as these guys are responsible for more than just rah rah stuff and walking out for the coin toss.

It would seem that Jake was chomping at the bit for a leadership role when he entered the program. This was a source of conflict between him and the upperclassmen who had paid their dues. Unfortunately it would seem that he wasn't up for the role considering his off-season.

[jay santos]

On the red and blue show yesterday they said Matt Reynolds is about 15 lbs. overweight. If your star OLineman is 15 lbs. over weight, then my guess is the other lineman are in the same range or higher.

Weight seems like an easy thing to control for. When a kid's motivated to make the NFL and he has a team of strenth coaches and nutritionists to guide him, and all his meals are paid for, it seems like you shouldn't have things like this. I wonder if Omer and our coaching staff's picture of an ideal lineman is different than the NFL's view.

[Surfah]

It can be rough for a coach to wave a magic wand and pronounce leadership on a player. I firmly believe a coach should never do this with a freshman. I suppose there is a bit of leeway at the QB position as the starter is expected to take a leadership role by default. With that said the players are going to follow who they are going to follow. There still needs to be some organization to the leadership structure as these guys are responsible for more than just rah rah stuff and walking out for the coin toss.

It would seem that Jake was chomping at the bit for a leadership role when he entered the program. This was a source of conflict between him and the upperclassmen who had paid their dues. Unfortunately it would seem that he wasn't up for the role considering his off-season.

That's my point. You have a freshman QB and he can't be a leader because he's not old enough, yet he's still expected to commandeer an offense and tell 10 other guys what they're supposed to be doing? This is where Bronco effed up.

[Indy Coug]

That's my point. You have a freshman QB and he can't be a leader because he's not old enough, yet he's still expected to commandeer an offense and tell 10 other guys what they're supposed to be doing? This is where Bronco effed up.

Yes, this is part of it.

[Shaka]

That's my point. You have a freshman QB and he can't be a leader because he's not old enough, yet he's still expected to commandeer an offense and tell 10 other guys what they're supposed to be doing? This is where Bronco effed up.

Bronco's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Had he told Jake that he was going to redshirt or sit as a freshman Jake never comes to BYU. If he tells Jake he can compete and then sits him he becomes a liar and Jake transfers.

A QB is always going to be a leader in the huddle. It's part of the job. However if that QB is young that role doesn't necessarily put him on par with the leaders who have paid their dues.

[Eddie]

On the red and blue show yesterday they said Matt Reynolds is about 15 lbs. overweight. If your star OLineman is 15 lbs. over weight, then my guess is the other lineman are in the same range or higher.

Weight seems like an easy thing to control for. When a kid's motivated to make the NFL and he has a team of strenth coaches and nutritionists to guide him, and all his meals are paid for, it seems like you shouldn't have things like this. I wonder if Omer and our coaching staff's picture of an ideal lineman is different than the NFL's view.

I don't know that I would be overly concerned about 15 lbs when you're talking about a guy who weighs in at what 330 lbs? already.

Sure - 15 lbs overweight is 15 lbs and is something that should be worked on.

But let's be honest - how significant is the difference between playing at 330 and playing at 315? At that point it is such a small percentage of weight that I have a hard time thinking it would be significant.

That said - maybe what they meant is that he was 15 lbs over what should've been his maximum playing weight. I could see that making a bigger difference.

[Shaka]

I think virtually all of our linemen would play better at 300lbs or less.

[jay santos]

I don't know that I would be overly concerned about 15 lbs when you're talking about a guy who weighs in at what 330 lbs? already.

Sure - 15 lbs overweight is 15 lbs and is something that should be worked on.

But let's be honest - how significant is the difference between playing at 330 and playing at 315? At that point it is such a small percentage of weight that I have a hard time thinking it would be significant.

That said - maybe what they meant is that he was 15 lbs over what should've been his maximum playing weight. I could see that making a bigger difference.

Put a on a 10 lb weighted jacket and run 40 yards and see if it slows you down. i think it's a big deal.

[Flystripper]

I don't know that I would be overly concerned about 15 lbs when you're talking about a guy who weighs in at what 330 lbs? already.

Sure - 15 lbs overweight is 15 lbs and is something that should be worked on.

But let's be honest - how significant is the difference between playing at 330 and playing at 315? At that point it is such a small percentage of weight that I have a hard time thinking it would be significant.

That said - maybe what they meant is that he was 15 lbs over what should've been his maximum playing weight. I could see that making a bigger difference.

Our Line is fat. I don't need anything more than my eyes to see.

What a college Olinemen should look like



BYU has maybe one guy that is even close to tat level of fitness.

[TripletDaddy]

looks like those o linemen are wearing garment bottoms.

[Surfah]

Bronco's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Had he told Jake that he was going to redshirt or sit as a freshman Jake never comes to BYU. If he tells Jake he can compete and then sits him he becomes a liar and Jake transfers.

A QB is always going to be a leader in the huddle. It's part of the job. However if that QB is young that role doesn't necessarily put him on par with the leaders who have paid their dues.

See I don't believe that. I am not sure Jake would have transferred. If Bronco had elected to go with Nelson I am pretty sure Jake would have finished the season anyway because of Nelson getting hurt or through Riley getting benched due to poor play.

But if he chose Jake to start from day 1, he could have said Jake is going to be our QB. He has my full trust and confidence but he needs all of your help. Then he tells Matt Reynolds, you need to protect this young man with your life. You tell your line likewise. Then he tells Kariya and MJ the same. He then tells Doman and Anae to craft an offense and gameplan to his strengths. They need to protect him, but at the same time give him room to grow and make plays.

Ultimately the team follows Bronco. Whatever he says the team will do. Bronco not being able to make a decision last year and then not being able to contain his boner for Nelson created this mess. That Riley showed up for special teams and earned a spot while still retaining his backup role is stupid. I appreciate that kind of player, but Bronco should have patted him on the head and said Riley you're our backup QB and sent him back to work out with the offense, or told him that he's never going to play QB again if this is what you want to do and started giving Lark more reps.

Speaking of which, people give too much credit to Bronco for this season. I am tired of hearing the argument that we won ten games despite the QB controversy, the coaching changes, etc. We never would have had the QB controversy or coaching changes either if it weren't for Bronco.

[Eddie]

Our Line is fat. I don't need anything more than my eyes to see.

What a college Olinemen should look like



BYU has maybe one guy that is even close to tat level of fitness.

I agree and would say that BYU's OL is fatter than I would like. I'd love to see the OL out on the field without their belly hanging over their belt.

Put a on a 10 lb weighted jacket and run 40 yards and see if it slows you down. i think it's a big deal.

I think I'm having a rough day explaining myself.

Perhaps a better way of stating this is that I think 15 lbs isn't much in looking at our OL. I'm 20 lbs overweight - and I come in at 220. 15 lbs would be significant for me. These guys? I don't think 15 lbs is as significant.

I tend to think that they are more (much more) than just 15 lbs overweight. That is why I scoff at the red and blue show saying he is 15 lbs over. I don't think those 15 lbs matter as much as the extra 20-30 he is carrying around on top of them. Looking at the OL's guts - there is no way 15 lbs would make them a svelte mean machine ready to pave roads or pass block. I understand needing some heft behind the muscle to not be pushed around. But these guys have anchors. 15 lbs is nothing.

[woot]

I agree and would say that BYU's OL is fatter than I would like. I'd love to see the OL out on the field without their belly hanging over their belt.



I think I'm having a rough day explaining myself.

Perhaps a better way of stating this is that I think 15 lbs isn't much in looking at our OL. I'm 20 lbs overweight - and I come in at 220. 15 lbs would be significant for me. These guys? I don't think 15 lbs is as significant.

I tend to think that they are more (much more) than just 15 lbs overweight. That is why I scoff at the red and blue show saying he is 15 lbs over. I don't think those 15 lbs matter as much as the extra 20-30 he is carrying around on top of them. Looking at the OL's guts - there is no way 15 lbs would make them a svelte mean machine ready to pave roads or pass block. I understand needing some heft behind the muscle to not be pushed around. But these guys have anchors. 15 lbs is nothing.

Yeah, 15 seems about right for Matt Reynolds, but he's one of the fittest of BYU's OL. Terrence Brown would be a better player if he lost 50+

[dabrockster]

Our Line is fat. I don't need anything more than my eyes to see.

What a college Olinemen should look like



BYU has maybe one guy that is even close to tat level of fitness.

I have always envied Wisky's OL.. Those guys are in shape, nasty mean, and is exactly what a OL should look and play like. They have a never ending motor too..