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  • pellegrino
    miserere me
    • Jan 2009
    • 12100

    #16
    This thread is confusing, it's like cats and dogs having their own respective national conventions in the same room at the same time without fighting.
    Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
    God forgives many things for an act of mercy
    Alessandro Manzoni

    Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

    pelagius

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    • Hot Lunch
      Out of Office
      • Nov 2008
      • 7842

      #17
      Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
      If you're discussing Fotu as an underperformer based on how he played in 2007, sure, I agree. If you're talking about Fotu as an underperformer based on expectations coming in 2011, then your expectations were wildly out of whack.

      Underperformers: Keith McGill was supposed to be a guy who would command the FS spot the moment he arrived on campus in August. But even prior to his injury, he looked lost. Good thing he'll be able to get a medical redshirt.

      Overperformers: Griff McNabb, Eric Rowe (he's shown a ton of improvement), Ryan Lacy, Miles Mason, Trevor Reilly
      McGill might end up sitting behind Eric Rowe the rest of his time at Utah. Unless Rowe bulks up to play SS because McGill comes around, I don't see him replacing Rowe.
      "Take it to the Bank"

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      • Blueintheface
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 15382

        #18
        Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
        This thread is confusing, it's like cats and dogs having their own respective national conventions in the same room at the same time without fighting.
        Take this crap to the Occupy Wall Street thread.
        "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

        "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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        • MartyFunkhouser
          Disciple of RNGesus
          • Nov 2008
          • 18713

          #19
          Saying Cullen has under-performed is being far too kind to him. In fact, any statement involving John Cullen that doesn't have at least one obscenity directed at him is being too kind.
          As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
          --Kendrick Lamar

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          • jay santos
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 13652

            #20
            Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post

            Underperformers:
            Ross Apo
            A comment on this:

            I'm not exactly sure what Ross Apo was rated as, but it seems unfair to call a freshman who's starting to be an underperformer.

            How many 4 star recruits are there? I just saw that the top 150 ESPN recruits are five and four stars. That translates into about five rounds of an NFL draft. A guy starting as a freshman for BYU is probably on pace to be that kind of player.

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            • Blueintheface
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 15382

              #21
              Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
              Saying Cullen has under-performed is being far too kind to him. In fact, any statement involving John Cullen that doesn't have at least one obscenity directed at him is being too kind.
              Being a hot head makes his situation much worse. One reason I don't absolutely seek to publicly humiliate Corby Eason is because at least he seems like a nice guy. Not much of a consolation but at least I don't have the white hot rage that I've had with other BYU players that mirror Cullen's behavior.
              "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

              "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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              • UtahJazzFan88
                Jazz | Utes | Raiders
                • Oct 2011
                • 1678

                #22
                Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                Saying Cullen has under-performed is being far too kind to him. In fact, any statement involving John Cullen that doesn't have at least one obscenity directed at him is being too kind.
                Agreed 100%.

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                • Viking
                  Banned
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 6470

                  #23
                  McKay is Exhibit A that missions don't help our guys.

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                  • jay santos
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 13652

                    #24
                    Worse:
                    Heaps
                    Q
                    OL in general, really haven't studied enough to say who but I have seen Reynolds beat more than I expected
                    Jacobsen


                    Better:
                    Hoffman (lately)
                    Alisa (up and down)
                    Hadley the corner
                    Nelson (little better than I expected)

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                    • Top Ute
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 2194

                      #25
                      The idea that a true freshman like Langi could be labeled as an underperformer is absurd. I said all along he'd redshirt long before he'd rush for 800 yards. Especially since he plays in an offense that requires RBs to pick up the blitz far more often than run pass patterns, which probably ranks far down his ability list anyway. Toot toot!

                      Miles Mason has to be an overachiever. Same with JW4. He's on pace to threaten the 1,400-yard mark, and finishing with 1,397-1,506 yards would give White the second-greatest single-season rushing mark in Utah history. He's a near-lock for third-biggest rush total in school history (1,204, Darrell Mack in 2007), and if he didn't gain a yard the rest of the year -- he's at 915 now -- would have the 14th-most rush yards in a season. No one expected that, especially those of you who think Langi has underachieved.

                      Lacy has definitely overachieved given his face was on milk cartons last year.

                      Underachievers? I don't see Joe Kruger's name being called nearly as often as it should. And James Aiono is as much a bust defensively as Jake Heaps is offensively.

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                      • TripletDaddy
                        sweet triple
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 58186

                        #26
                        Travis Uale has been a big huge piece of poo this season. As a big huge piece of poo, he still has much worth in the sight of God and his fellow man, and frankly, we are all huge pieces of poo to one degree or another, but on the field Travis has been a huge piece of poo, nonetheless. I anticipate more scatological on-field behavior from Travis for the rest of the season, be it diarrhetic tackling, stool softening man coverage or an abundance of fecal-infused defense on deep routes. To his credit, Travis is capable of rare flashes of Defensive continence, but not enough to elevate his status above "huge piece of poo."
                        Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                        • EuropeanFootballMale
                          Karate/Friendship Master
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1339

                          #27
                          Stool softening leads to smaller rather than larger, doesn't it?

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                          • Portland Ute
                            Junior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 5647

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                            Being a hot head makes his situation much worse. One reason I don't absolutely seek to publicly humiliate Corby Eason is because at least he seems like a nice guy. Not much of a consolation but at least I don't have the white hot rage that I've had with other BYU players that mirror Cullen's behavior.
                            Agree 100%.

                            John Hays vs. John Cullen.

                            Hays is a good guy. He's just in over his head and not performing well. It's not really his fault that the coaching staff has no other answer at QB.

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                            • DrumNFeather
                              Invisible Swordsman
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 8854

                              #29
                              Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
                              If you're discussing Fotu as an underperformer based on how he played in 2007, sure, I agree. If you're talking about Fotu as an underperformer based on expectations coming in 2011, then your expectations were wildly out of whack.

                              Underperformers: Keith McGill was supposed to be a guy who would command the FS spot the moment he arrived on campus in August. But even prior to his injury, he looked lost. Good thing he'll be able to get a medical redshirt.

                              Overperformers: Griff McNabb, Eric Rowe (he's shown a ton of improvement), Ryan Lacy, Miles Mason, Trevor Reilly
                              I'd also add Finau to the overperformers list, he seems like a beast.

                              Does James Aiono play? He was also one of those guys that was supposed to come in and dominate on the D-line, but I'm not sure he's seen the field. Also, not sure what is up with Moeaki, but he had a great first/second year (for a TE at Utah) and Jake Murphy seems to have taken his job.
                              "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                              Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                              • Mormon Red Death
                                BYU Delenda Est
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 8077

                                #30
                                Originally posted by DrumNFeather View Post
                                I'd also add Finau to the overperformers list, he seems like a beast.

                                Does James Aiono play? He was also one of those guys that was supposed to come in and dominate on the D-line, but I'm not sure he's seen the field. Also, not sure what is up with Moeaki, but he had a great first/second year (for a TE at Utah) and Jake Murphy seems to have taken his job.
                                Aiono has started several games.
                                "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                                "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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