Apparently, the Pac 10 is expanding

[TripletDaddy]

Since when did Sarah Jessica Parker become an expert on BYU's PAC10 prospects?

Actually, I think vedderhall is friends with Tori Spelling.

[SeattleUte]

The legislature and Utah's administration would be absolute morons to not allow Utah to go to the Pac-10 if offered. As I said above, there is zero chance that both BYU and Utah go to the Pac-10. But also, the only chance that Utah goes is if the Pac 10 can cherry pick Colorado from the Big 12. I don't see what incentive Colorado has to go to the Pac-10 unless the dollar amounts on TV contracts and are more enticing and I don't think that's the case right now. I have yet to see an instance where a team jumped to another conference that is either on the same level or even somewhat lower in stature. It's one thing for Miami to jump from the Big East to the ACC, one conference is clearly better than the other. The Pac-10 is NOT clearly better than the Big 12.

Just for speculation purposes, if Colorado went to the Pac-10, then BYU would be the obvious team to go to the Big 12. BYU would just be excluded from the conference basketball tourney and the no Sunday rule could be dealt with in the minor sports.

The school administrators are the power, and the Pac10 is a more prestigious conference academically than the Big 12. Maybe there's not enough of a difference to matter to Colorado, though. Culturally I think Colorado is out of place in both conferences, actually. It belongs in the MWC.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Isn't the Big 12 Evangelical territory. I am not so sure they aren't more biggoted and immmovable than the liberals in the PAC 10.

Supposedly, BYU would have been added to the Big 12 instead of Baylor but for Ann Richards. I've never gotten the impression that the Big 12 would be opposed to BYU's inclusion. The Big 12 is smart enough to know that its all about the sports stupid.

[SeattleUte]

Supposedly, BYU would have been added to the Big 12 instead of Baylor but for Ann Richards. I've never gotten the impression that the Big 12 would be opposed to BYU's inclusion. The Big 12 is smart enough to know that its all about the sports stupid.

The people with all the power generally have disdain for the sports. See the NCAA's stewardship. The sports money involved is also a drop in the bucket. For example, these schools get hundreds of millions of dollars in academic grants and contracts and donations for academic activities each year. (BYU doesn't; BYU is mostly about the sports and religion.)

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The school administrators are the power, and the Pac10 is a more prestigious conference academically than the Big 12. Maybe there's not enough of a difference to matter to Colorado, though. Culturally I think Colorado is out of place in both conferences, actually. It belongs in the MWC.

That wasn't a big enough difference to Colorado before. And the association within a certain sports conference has little effect on academic prospects. I've never bought into this line of reasoning. A school like Missouri couldn't care less that the Big 10 is better academically than the Big 12. Also when the ACC expanded, they didn't exactly cherry pick sterling academic institutions from the Big East even though supposedly the school administrators have the final say.

I do, however, believe that politics would have a powerful effect persuading the Pac-10 to choose Utah over BYU as well as the no Sunday play rule.

[byu71]

The people with all the power generally have disdain for the sports. See the NCAA's stewardship. The sports money involved is also a drop in the bucket. For example, these schools get hundreds of millions of dollars in academic grants and contracts and donations for academic activities each year. (BYU doesn't; BYU is mostly about the sports and religion.)

My guess is you are full of crap on this one. Stanford may be an exception, but I would bet most of these schools would have a lot of donations dry up if they were to drop their athletic programs. For all the desire to think otherwise, the 9 schools besides Stanford and maybe Cal don't really turn heads when you say you are an "academic" alumni of the school.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The people with all the power generally have disdain for the sports. See the NCAA's stewardship. The sports money involved is also a drop in the bucket. For example, these schools get hundreds of millions of dollars in academic grants and contracts and donations for academic activities each year. (BYU doesn't; BYU is mostly about the sports and religion.)

Your assertion that the "people with all the power generally have disdain for the sports" doesn't seem to be having an effect on the expansion that has taken place in the ACC, Big East, Big 12 and SEC over the past 15 years. Simply put, its all about success, money (size of market) and sometimes political power. The ACC picked up V-Tech, Miami and Boston College to get to 12 teams. Miami was a no-brainer because of its football program, Boston College was a no-brainer because of the market. The Virginia legislature supposedly forced the inclusion of V-Tech, but that was an easy pill for the ACC to swallow because of V-Tech's football program.

I have yet to see the prowess of the academics of any institution be the impetus for the inclusion of any program.

[KillerDog]

I wonder how a Pac-10 expansion would help the Pac-10 with regards to getting a team into the national championship game or another team to a BCS bowl. It seems to me like BCS rankings are dramatically improved if the best two teams in the conference play each other a second time in a season. If their BCS rankings improve, the Pac-10 is more likely to get another team to the BCS bowls. So the addition of two more schools gets you the money from a championship game and also some money from an additional BCS bowl multiplied by the increased chance of having a second BCS team. I wonder how that affects the math. Probably not enough at this point.

[Mormon Red Death]

Here is why I think PAC-10 expansion is coming.

Check out this quote:

Revenue from the Pac-10’s primary football contract with ABC/ESPN, its secondary football deal with Fox Sports Net and its basketball deal with FSN place the conference fifth in total revenue behind the Big Ten, the Southeastern Conference, the Atlantic Coast Conference and the Big 12, said Kevin O’Malley, a television industry consultant. He said the conference was geographically well situated to create its own network the way the Big Ten has.

“It has universities from contiguous states, mostly land-grant schools that dominate the state,” he said. “That’s a lot of marketing power among alumni and fans when you consider the distribution.”

Scott said he was aware of the television-deal issues.

“I’ve picked up on the sense that some people feel that the Pac-10 may not be boxing at their appropriate weight, so to speak,” Scott said of the league’s television deal. “One of the skill sets that I bring is dealing with television for 15 years and dealing with all of the major networks over that time.”

Yep... its not going to be long until you see the PAC-10 Network. If the link is to be believed the PAC 10 gets 100 million in Revenue each year (half of the Big 10's 200). So what do you do if you are the pac 10? You add two more teams and get a championship game for 15 million a year. You then start the PAC-10 Network but you need someone to play on that Network so you make a stipulation that an unbalanced amount of games for the additional 2 teams for the next 3-5 years will be on the New Network.

You then get two more bowl games and you build the Network. Soon with the champ game, extra bowl revenue and the new network you get that that extra 100 million.

Instead of 10 million (100 million / 10) You Now have 200 Million divided by 12 17 million per school.

That's a pretty good incentive.

[Mormon Red Death]

Good article on AG of Utah suing for Antitrust. What this means to Utah being in the PAC-10: IMHO

BCS to PAC-10 "Go to 12 teams so Utah stops bugging us"

PAC-10 & Big 10 to rest of the bcs "we will go back to the old days first"

Other BCS conferences: "Fine we will exclude you from our newly created playoff. The Rose Bowl brand will suffer when its not part of our playoff. We will create excitement and make boatloads of cash. You will be relegated to an ancient system that will just piss off your fans and alumni"

Rose Bowl to Pac10 and Big10: "Maybe we ought to think about adding Utah and someone else to the Pac-10 we dont want to risk losign brand identity"

[SeattleUte]

Rose Bowl to Pac10 and Big10: "Maybe we ought to think about adding Utah and someone else to the Pac-10 we dont want to risk losign brand identity"

Rice

[TripletDaddy]

Please reconcile this:

Good article on AG of Utah suing for Antitrust.

with this:

Fine we will exclude you from our newly created playoff. The Rose Bowl brand will suffer when its not part of our playoff. We will create excitement and make boatloads of cash. You will be relegated to an ancient system that will just piss off your fans and alumni

[Mormon Red Death]

Please reconcile this:



with this:

Easy... The non Pac10 big10 bcs conference bcs conference don't make the same money without the bcs.

You think the Orange bowl is going to pay 32 million for the big east vs the acc?

The other bcs leagues will start a playoff because there is huge money to be made.

[Babs]

Supposedly, BYU would have been added to the Big 12 instead of Baylor but for Ann Richards.

This was never the case. It's pure Cougarboard-generated mythology.

The Big 12 was a merger between the Big 8 and the Texas wing of the SWC. It was determined that the new conference would include 12 schools, including all eight of the Big 8. So the question became which four SWC schools would be included. The decision was ostensibly made by the Big 12 steering committee, but in reality was made on the legislative floor in Austin. Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech, as the state-sponsored schools, were locks for the new conference. So it came down to which of the private schools (Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU) would get the last slot.

CB legend has it that BYU, not even a member of the SWC, was in negotiations until Baylor was forced in for political reasons. And as with all mythology, there is some truth to the tale. But it was TCU - not BYU - that was slated to get the nod until Governor Richards (Baylor alumna) snuck her Golden Bears in at the last minute.

I'm not sure how or when Cougar fans interchanged BYU and TCU; but in the words of Paul Harvey, now you know the rest of the story.

[TripletDaddy]

Easy... The non Pac10 big10 bcs conference bcs conference don't make the same money without the bcs.

Well, that is pretty clear.

Thanks.