The Heaps Reclamation Project

[Shaka]

I am in the Heaps should sit camp (Shaka and anyone else who has read my other posts can go ahead and tell me to eat crow) because I think he needs some time on the bench to get his crap together, and perhaps more importantly earn the respect of his teammates.

Why would I tell you to eat crow? I backed Heaps starting this year. I also stated in this very thread that I would back the coaches if the start Heaps. I started this thread to discuss ways of helping him reach his potential. From reading your statement it seems that we agree on how this should happen.

[Shaka]

I also think Doman and Bronco see what most of us see and realize Riley is not a long term solution and you have a better chance of figuring out how to heal Jakes bruised vagina

Is this the injury Kdog was writing about?

[Hsaru]

Is the downside really that big of giving Heaps one more half against SJSU to try and salvage this season and the guy we spent all of our offseason reps on?

If he is still ineffective you bring Riley in with increased practice reps during the week for the 2nd half and then you go on from there with Riley as the QB this year if he plays well.

[Goatnapper'96]

Is the downside really that big of giving Heaps one more half against SJSU to try and salvage this season and the guy we spent all of our offseason reps on?

If he is still ineffective you bring Riley in with increased practice reps during the week for the 2nd half and then you go on from there with Riley as the QB this year if he plays well.

I don't know what the solution is, but I think many folks have some smattering of these opinions:

1.) Nelson has likely earned the position until his limitations are proven obvious and debilitating to success. To many it is the concept of accountability and consistently applicating those team expectations and rules. It is about keeping everyone honest and fully invested, not just Jake Heaps. I think this is why Riley, at present, gives the team more heart and direction.

2.) Many think that Jake having to re-earn his time would be beneficial for both Jake and the program long term. We all want BYU to be good and I think the majority believe that Jake's natural ability to throw the ball indicates that were he to reach his potential then BYU's ceiling is higher than it is with Riley's. The question then is what is best to do to help Jake to reach his potential. I think there is some merit to the conclusion that the kid has had things too easy in life up to now. Not saying he is spoiled just that the level of competition has changed and Jake needs to change a bit to match it. The embarassment and humiliation and having to dig deep emotionally to fight out of that pit of despair might be exactly what the youngster needs.

[TripletDaddy]

Do we have anybody that is in the know with his parents? Don't they live in the 'Vo? Where do they work? Does anyone here run the same social circles? What is their vibe, I wonder?

Mom and dad must be crapping bricks as they watch their NFL gravy train quickly leaving the station without them.

[Goatnapper'96]

Do we have anybody that is in the know with his parents? Don't they live in the 'Vo? Where do they work? Does anyone here run the same social circles? What is their vibe, I wonder?

Mom and dad must be crapping bricks as they watch their NFL gravy train quickly leaving the station without them.

I do know who Jake Heaps' Grandpa is when I go to the open practices! He is normally in a wheelchair so I should be able to run him down, I will check with him next August!

[jay santos]

Is the downside really that big of giving Heaps one more half against SJSU to try and salvage this season and the guy we spent all of our offseason reps on?

If he is still ineffective you bring Riley in with increased practice reps during the week for the 2nd half and then you go on from there with Riley as the QB this year if he plays well.

Is there any downside to starting Nelson? If he's ineffective you bring in Heaps.

[cougjunkie]

Do we have anybody that is in the know with his parents? Don't they live in the 'Vo? Where do they work? Does anyone here run the same social circles? What is their vibe, I wonder?

Mom and dad must be crapping bricks as they watch their NFL gravy train quickly leaving the station without them.

Mom works for Salisbury homes down in Springville. Dad is I believe a freelance writer (not like SU one that actually gets paid for his work). Maybe Exute can drive by the house and see if the BYU flag is still up.

[Hsaru]

Is there any downside to starting Nelson? If he's ineffective you bring in Heaps.

The downside is we may be losing the future of the program, one half before you throw away our most talented QB until 2013, I don't think that is asking too much.

[Goatnapper'96]

The downside is we may be losing the future of the program, one half before you throw away our most talented QB until 2013, I don't think that is asking too much.

You might be right but if Jake is that fragile that he is unwilling to fight through this humiliating setback, I doubt he is the future for BYU or anyone else. If he is then our issues are much deeper than Jake Heaps and those issues would be big enough to prevent BYU from doing much.

However, if Jake totally flops the coaches seats will be getting warmer and they need to get the qb issue right the next go around. The also better find some better runningbacks.

[MarkGrace]

Shoemaker offers some fairly uninsightful insight.

You can name Nelson the starter and ride the momentum as long as possible or go with Heaps, who is the future and has more potential as a quarterback. I sense the team would rally around Riley for his spark in the Utah State game and would question the coaches if Jake is named the starter.

This can be a dangerous decision for the coaches as not only does it affect this year but future years. From my vantage point, there are pros and cons of both quarterbacks.

Nelson has momentum, team confidence and fan support. He also can make plays with his feet and arm. However, he lacks a true quarterback arm. He rarely throws a good spiral, hasn't been known as overly accurate and thus teams force him to pass. There is a reason Heaps was picked as the starter over Nelson last year.

Heaps on the other hand has a very strong arm, is only a sophomore and has tremendous untapped potential. But ... he has been given five games to prove what he can do with little success. His confidence is low, and it's the unknown if the team will rally around him like they will Nelson.

I call many of the BYU coaches personal friends of mine and have two words for them on this decision: good luck!

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ight.html?pg=2

[Hsaru]

You might be right but if Jake is that fragile that he is unwilling to fight through this humiliating setback, I doubt he is the future for BYU or anyone else. If he is then our issues are much deeper than Jake Heaps and those issues would be big enough to prevent BYU from doing much.

However, if Jake totally flops the coaches seats will be getting warmer and they need to get the qb issue right the next go around. The also better find some better runningbacks.

I'm not saying it would be because Jake is fragile(which he might be) but that having to sit potentially behind a running QB for the next 2 years while Doman focuses all his energy on building an offense around a running QB does not seem like the best long term prospects for a pocket passer.

It was like Ryan Mallet at Michigan, if the offensive coordinator is going to be focusing the next 2 years on a running qb system how would you have any reason to believe he will be all ready to go back to a pure pocket passing attack afterwards.

[jay santos]

The downside is we may be losing the future of the program, one half before you throw away our most talented QB until 2013, I don't think that is asking too much.

A lot of things could happen between now and 2013.

Nelson could become a very good college QB.

Heaps could lose the prima dona thing and work his way back into a starting job in 2012 and become an All-American.

Lark could become a very good college QB.

We could sign a JC QB who ends up relieving Nelson in 2012 and becomes the next Sarkisian.

Does this false sense of urgency to promote someone who hasn't earned it remind you of anything? Or do you think Doman's an upgrade from Anae?

[Goatnapper'96]

I'm not saying it would be because Jake is fragile(which he might be) but that having to sit potentially behind a running QB for the next 2 years while Doman focuses all his energy on building an offense around a running QB does not seem like the best long term prospects for a pocket passer.

It was like Ryan Mallet at Michigan, if the offensive coordinator is going to be focusing the next 2 years on a running qb system how would you have any reason to believe he will be all ready to go back to a pure pocket passing attack afterwards.

I think it is pretty safe to bet that Brandon Doman and BYU are going to run an offense more friendly to a pocket passer than a playmaker. If Jake leaves for that reason I will be convinced it was an excuse and he does not want to utter the real reason which is his feelings will be hurt and he will feel that BYU/Doman are not following through on their promise to turn the offense over to him from day 1. By putting Nelson on the field BYU might be changing its short term offensive system but it is not a down payment on a shift towards a running qb. Such a conclusions is what I might call absurd.

[Hsaru]

I think it is pretty safe to bet that Brandon Doman and BYU are going to run an offense more friendly to a pocket passer than a playmaker. If Jake leaves for that reason I will be convinced it was an excuse and he does not want to utter the real reason which is his feelings will be hurt and he will feel that BYU/Doman are not following through on their promise to turn the offense over to him from day 1. By putting Nelson on the field BYU might be changing its short term offensive system but it is not a down payment on a shift towards a running qb. Such a conclusions is what I might call absurd.

I agree with you, but put yourself in that position, if you sat on the sidelines(a pocket passer) and saw a running-qb system being practiced for and used on gameday for 2 years in a row that would make me a little nervous.