Week 4 Open Thread

[SeattleUte]

One loss and you readjust goals for the entire season? What kind of BCS coach are you? You keep illustrating my point, you just don't realize it.

Much like Mormonism is in your DNA, mid-majorism is also in your DNA.

I'm not convinced the Utes are good enough to deserve the BCS championship game. I very much believe they're good enough to win the Pac 12 South and beat Oregon in the title game, and then win the RB. I've been wrong before, though.

[Maximus]

Much like Friends of Scouting, the real bottom line dollars and their usage is kept secret from the huddled masses (who contribute said dollars).


ESPN's commitment was 'up to' a certain number of games/yr. 0 is included in the 'up to' number, but perhaps they will buy the game instead of airing a HS game. Go Vandals. 2nd best team on the Pallouse.

Are you talking about BYU? Pretty sure it's 4 home games a year minimum on ESPN networks.

[TripletDaddy]

I'm not convinced the Utes are good enough to deserve the BCS championship game. I very much believe they're good enough to win the Pac 12 South and beat Oregon in the title game, and then win the RB. I've been wrong before, though.

Then your desire for ASU to win makes no sense.

Also, if you really believe that about the Utes, you are saying they are good enough to finish in the Top 4 or 5 in the country, which is where the RB winner finishes. If you believe the Utes are a Top 5 team, then you should believe they "deserve" to play for the title.

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[SeattleUte]

Then your desire for ASU to win makes no sense.

Also, if you really believe that about the Utes, you are saying they are good enough to finish in the Top 4 or 5 in the country, which is where the RB winner finishes. If you believe the Utes are a Top 5 team, then you should believe they "deserve" to play for the title.

G-T-C-A-M-W-C-W-A-C

It does make sense. I don't want to hear you blather for years about how USC was the real Pac 12 south champ in 11.

I'd rather win the Rose Bowl and be the ELO Chess no. 1 than play in a BCS "championship game". (Don't bother saying that this is stated like a mid-major fan. I disagree.)

[EuropeanFootballMale]

I've been wrong before, though.

Well of course you haven't. No need for false modesty.

[TripletDaddy]

It does make sense. I don't want to hear you blather for years about how USC was the real Pac 12 south champ in 11.

I'd rather win the Rose Bowl and be the ELO Chess no. 1 than play in a BCS "championship game". (Don't bother saying that this is stated like a mid-major fan. I disagree.)

Trust me, you will hear no SC fans talking about division championships. There are no conference Championship banners in the coliseum. In fact, they only place they commemorate conference championships is in the basement of heritage hall on a mural next to the drinking fountain and bathroom.

You need to raise your sights. I'm confident Whit is not as defeatist as you.

[SeattleUte]

Trust me, you will hear no SC fans talking about division championships. There are no conference Championship banners in the coliseum. In fact, they only place they commemorate conference championships is in the basement of heritage hall on a mural next to the drinking fountain and bathroom.

You need to raise your sights. I'm confident Whit is not as defeatist as you.

I would be honored to have have the Utes, in their inaugural Pac 12 season, win the most glamorous conference in the world, and then win the ROSE BOWL whatever Moranic voters say.

[Top Ute]

Trust me, you will hear no SC fans talking about division championships. There are no conference Championship banners in the coliseum. In fact, they only place they commemorate conference championships is in the basement of heritage hall on a mural next to the drinking fountain and bathroom.

You need to raise your sights. I'm confident Whit is not as defeatist as you.

Well maybe once we get to the halfway point of winning big like SC has (80 years, we've got 10 in the books), we can afford to have that kind of (well-earned) elitist attitude.

As for me, I will be thrilled with essentially the same goal/result we had in the MWC for the last 20-plus years -- to ensure that every HS kid who signs with and plays for four years at Utah is a part of a "championship" team. IMO, winning MWC, shared/outright, isn't much differernt as a division crown in the Pac-12. Whatever comes after that is gravy.

[Uncle Ted]

If people rank Tech after a miracle win over Nevada then voters are really pathetic.

Not Tech.

Texas is ranked and undefeated. (Bye this week)
OU is ranked and undefeated. (won)
OSU is ranked and undefeated. (won)
Baylor is ranked and undefeated. (won)
aTm is ranked and undefeated. (loss by 1 point)
KSU is undefeated. (Beat miami on the road)
Iowa St is undefeated. (Bye this week. Beat both Iowa and UConn.)

I'm guessing that aTm won't drop completely out of the top 25 and either Iowa St. or KSU or both could break in the top 25. It is possible for 70% of the big 12 teams to be in the top 25.

[Surfah]

Unless things change in our secondary and our ability to get to the QB, Moniz is going to shred us in Hawaii.

[Viking]

I would be honored to have have the Utes, in their inaugural Pac 12 season, win the most glamorous conference in the world, and then win the ROSE BOWL whatever Moranic voters say.

SU is in it for the glam.

[cougjunkie]

Unless things change in our secondary and our ability to get to the QB, Moniz is going to shred us in Hawaii.

Like he shredded UNLV?

[BoylenOver]

Well maybe once we get to the halfway point of winning big like SC has (80 years, we've got 10 in the books), we can afford to have that kind of (well-earned) elitist attitude.

As for me, I will be thrilled with essentially the same goal/result we had in the MWC for the last 20-plus years -- to ensure that every HS kid who signs with and plays for four years at Utah is a part of a "championship" team. IMO, winning MWC, shared/outright, isn't much differernt as a division crown in the Pac-12. Whatever comes after that is gravy.

I'm with TU. USC has the infrastructure, talent, resources, and tradition where they can take PAC titles for granted and expect national titles. Utah is nowhere near USC.

Utah's goal is winning the PAC-12. If, in the process of accomplishing that goal, they have the opportunity to play for a BCS title, it would be incredible. If not, I wouldn't be disappointed.

[BoylenOver]

Like he shredded UNLV?

It was discussed last week, but Hawaii is a different team at home.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm with TU. USC has the infrastructure, talent, resources, and tradition where they can take PAC titles for granted and expect national titles. Utah is nowhere near USC.

Utah's goal is winning the PAC-12. If, in the process of accomplishing that goal, they have the opportunity to play for a BCS title, it would be incredible. If not, I wouldn't be disappointed.

Exactly, there are only a handful of schools that really are national title contenders. Even in the BCS conferences there are haves and have nots.