juco recruiting

[frank ryan]

Utah seems to do this very well. BYU rarely goes after jc kids. I've heard Hot Lunch's spill that they are overrated. But Utah seems to get good milage out of those they take.
BYU took a grand total of 2 players last year. Hadley from Snow and Sampson.
Is being looking at any jc players period? Anyone from Snow BYU could use? I'd like to see that pipeline remain open

[MarkGrace]

What does HL know? Get back to me when the guy starts appearing on radio shows or something.

[Babs]

What does HL know? Get back to me when the guy starts appearing on radio shows or something.

duh. He knows how to spill.

[jay santos]

JC recruiting is by far the best way to infuse some talent from the ranks of the non-LDS demographic. They get in Provo in August. Spend a few months playing absorbed with football. Start breaking the Honor Code, then they're back in football season again, and you just have a few more months to stall the Honor Code office before they're done with their eligibility.

[BoylenOver]

McBride made a killing bringing in JUCO's, especially at RB. At every other position, the rate of success has been much lower. Ratliff and Cain ended up being important; John Cullen provided an immediate boost last season; David Reed came on strong late in 2008. But for every Cullen, there's a JUCO kid that never steps foot on campus (Ray Magee) or never makes an impact (Aiona Key).

Benji Kemoeatu is another example. Ute fans keep expressing excitement about his potential impact, even though his academics have been an issue ever since he picked West Virginia in 2009 but never made it.

I really hope Anthony Denham and Keith McGill are on campus in plenty of time for fall camp.

[Goatnapper'96]

Utah seems to do this very well. BYU rarely goes after jc kids. I've heard Hot Lunch's spill that they are overrated. But Utah seems to get good milage out of those they take.
BYU took a grand total of 2 players last year. Hadley from Snow and Sampson.
Is being looking at any jc players period? Anyone from Snow BYU could use? I'd like to see that pipeline remain open

I think Bronco still uses JC ranks for dbs, specifically cornerbacks. Recall that after 2008 he brought in Brian Logan, Lee Aguirre and Corby Eason. Then last year he brought in Dequan Everitt. This year both of the JC kids coming in are DBs in Hadley and Sampson. I think BYU should be able to recruit good HS talent at most positions, but CB seems to be a challenge. Presently of the 4 kids I think will make the 2 deep at CB (Eason, Hadley, Buckner and Johnson) it is a split between 2 HS kids and 2 JCs. Buckner is representative of the growing African-American LDS demographic and Jordan Johnson is in a word.....luck. A non-LDS AA kid from the northeast whose dad works for Danny Ainge? I doubt the coaching staff is expecting to pick up one of those every year or every other year. So in essence I think Bronco utilizes JC when he doesn't have other options and right now BYU has a couple of rare good CBs that BYU recruited out of HS.

[frank ryan]

I'd like to see him take a snow player or two every year

[SCcoug]

I'd like to see him take a snow player or two every year

Last year they signed a db named Preston Hadley from Snow. I believe the new deep snapper is also a Snow guy. Also add Joe Sampson to the juco list.

[TheAzzuri]

I think Bronco still uses JC ranks for dbs, specifically cornerbacks. Recall that after 2008 he brought in Brian Logan, Lee Aguirre and Corby Eason. Then last year he brought in Dequan Everitt. This year both of the JC kids coming in are DBs in Hadley and Sampson. I think BYU should be able to recruit good HS talent at most positions, but CB seems to be a challenge. Presently of the 4 kids I think will make the 2 deep at CB (Eason, Hadley, Buckner and Johnson) it is a split between 2 HS kids and 2 JCs. Buckner is representative of the growing African-American LDS demographic and Jordan Johnson is in a word.....luck. A non-LDS AA kid from the northeast whose dad works for Danny Ainge? I doubt the coaching staff is expecting to pick up one of those every year or every other year. So in essence I think Bronco utilizes JC when he doesn't have other options and right now BYU has a couple of rare good CBs that BYU recruited out of HS.

I think that's the strategy; and it's a sound one. Recruit good LB's and S's that fall within your natural recruiting base and mine your CB's from the JC ranks. Unfortunately, I think we run into a lot more G Pittmans than Jordan Johnsons and a lot of them just won't make it. If there is available information about attrition by position. I suspect it is heavily weighted towards skill positions (specifically CB's).

Jensen/Wagner/Staf/Nixon/Kehl made everyone look good. I don't think our current core is that good yet, but they could be with time, though I'm not optimistic about Pendelton staying healthy all season. I also think we're better on the DL than we were in 2006.

In short, I'm more excited about the defense this year than I am the offense.

[Goatnapper'96]

I think that's the strategy; and it's a sound one. Recruit good LB's and S's that fall within your natural recruiting base and mine your CB's from the JC ranks. Unfortunately, I think we run into a lot more G Pittmans than Jordan Johnsons and a lot of them just won't make it. If there is available information about attrition by position. I suspect it is heavily weighted towards skill positions (specifically CB's).

Jensen/Wagner/Staf/Nixon/Kehl made everyone look good. I don't think our current core is that good yet, but they could be with time, though I'm not optimistic about Pendelton staying healthy all season. I also think we're better on the DL than we were in 2006.

In short, I'm more excited about the defense this year than I am the offense.

I read where Trevor Matich said the key to BYU this year will be the play of the NT. He said if the NT collapses the interior line thus allowing the LBs to get to runningbacks relatively unmolested, the defense is going to be really good. I agree with Trevor and I continue to believe that the most influential newcomer will turn out to be Hebron Fangupo.

I also believe that Jordan Pendleton's health is the primary motivator for why Kyle Van Noy is listed as a strong OLB instead of starting alongside JP as the WOLB. I think a healthy JP at SOLB with KVN at WOLB is a great OLB tandem but I don't think KVN at SOLB and JF or JW at WOLB are much worse. I would put the JP/KVN tandem on the same level as Kehl and Nixon in 2006. Time will tell on the ILBs. I think Ogletree will be solid but obviously the hope for star power falls upon Uona. There seems to be a great deal of optimism that he will fulfill that, in 3 more months all things will be revealed!

[TheAzzuri]

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I read where Trevor Matich said the key to BYU this year will be the play of the NT. He said if the NT collapses the interior line thus allowing the LBs to get to runningbacks relatively unmolested, the defense is going to be really good. I agree with Trevor and I continue to believe that the most influential newcomer will turn out to be Hebron Fangupo.

I was really happy to read that Bronco was experimeting with certain sets that have an extra NT line up at one of the DE positions. I think it was for just that reason. Between Fangupo, Tuiloma, and Fuga (when healthy), we should be as good as we've been in a long time.

I also believe that Jordan Pendleton's health is the primary motivator for why Kyle Van Noy is listed as a strong OLB instead of starting alongside JP as the WOLB. I think a healthy JP at SOLB with KVN at WOLB is a great OLB tandem but I don't think KVN at SOLB and JF or JW at WOLB are much worse. I would put the JP/KVN tandem on the same level as Kehl and Nixon in 2006. Time will tell on the ILBs. I think Ogletree will be solid but obviously the hope for star power falls upon Uona. There seems to be a great deal of optimism that he will fulfill that, in 3 more months all things will be revealed!

Yep, I agree. I think Nixon's switch to SOLB his senior year tells us that the coaching staff considers its stability to be the more imoprtant of the two. Even still, I would love to see Van Noy rushing off the weak side. *If* Pendleton stays healthy, I wonder if we'll see switch. But you're right, Frazier got a lot better as the year went on.

I think with Houston Nutt's style, we'll know immediately about the ILBs.

[Goatnapper'96]

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I was really happy to read that Bronco was experimeting with certain sets that have an extra NT line up at one of the DE positions. I think it was for just that reason. Between Fangupo, Tuiloma, and Fuga (when healthy), we should be as good as we've been in a long time.




Yep, I agree. I think Nixon's switch to SOLB his senior year tells us that the coaching staff considers its stability to be the more imoprtant of the two. Even still, I would love to see Van Noy rushing off the weak side. *If* Pendleton stays healthy, I wonder if we'll see switch. But you're right, Frazier got a lot better as the year went on.

I think with Houston Nutt's style, we'll know immediately about the ILBs.

I don't know how much the ILBs, or BYU's defense, is going to have to fear a pass game against Hotty Toddy Bim Bam Flim Fam Ohhhhh Miss by damn! Tough to get a real feel for the ILBs when they can essentially play the run only. Texas and Utah will be a better test and the UCF game, with its dual threat super soph qb, will really let us know what we got goin on. I am waiting until the end of September to proclaim where this group stands amongst the great pantheon of BYU LBs corps!

[TheAzzuri]

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I don't know how much the ILBs, or BYU's defense, is going to have to fear a pass game against Hotty Toddy Bim Bam Flim Fam Ohhhhh Miss by damn! Tough to get a real feel for the ILBs when they can essentially play the run only. Texas and Utah will be a better test and the UCF game, with its dual threat super soph qb, will really let us know what we got goin on. I am waiting until the end of September to proclaim where this group stands amongst the great pantheon of BYU LBs corps!

Good point against the pass, though I remain less impressed than you by the TX QB situation. I think the UU/UCF QB's will be more telling. Though if the DL is as advertised and Pendleton/Frazier/Van Noy can bring the heat, we should be ok.

We need a blue-eyed goggle emoticon.

[Hot Lunch]

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I don't know how much the ILBs, or BYU's defense, is going to have to fear a pass game against Hotty Toddy Bim Bam Flim Fam Ohhhhh Miss by damn! Tough to get a real feel for the ILBs when they can essentially play the run only. Texas and Utah will be a better test and the UCF game, with its dual threat super soph qb, will really let us know what we got goin on. I am waiting until the end of September to proclaim where this group stands amongst the great pantheon of BYU LBs corps!

BYU's rush defense will be tested right out the gate. Ole Miss returns all of there o-lineman from last year. Many "self proclaimed experts" say they have the best O Line in the SEC. I believe they also lead the SEC in rushing last year. If they didn't lead, they were at the top. They return their top two running backs and Burton who is their best is pretty dang good. They are going to try to play the ball control game and keep the ball out of BYU's hands because Hotty Toddy Bim Bam Flim Fam Ohh Miss by dam has a horrific defense. The game is also in the middle of the afternoon in the dirty south and it is going to be hot and humid so they will want to grind it out.

[Uncle Ted]

BYU's rush defense will be tested right out the gate. Ole Miss returns all of there o-lineman from last year. Many "self proclaimed experts" say they have the best O Line in the SEC. I believe they also lead the SEC in rushing last year. If they didn't lead, they were at the top. They return their top two running backs and Burton who is their best is pretty dang good. They are going to try to play the ball control game and keep the ball out of BYU's hands because Hotty Toddy Bim Bam Flim Fam Ohh Miss by dam has a horrific defense. The game is also in the middle of the afternoon in the dirty south and it is going to be hot and humid so they will want to grind it out.

Yes, Ole Miss' running game is what BYU is going to need to worry about. They have four good RBs and that veteran o-line (including a veteran transfer from Arkansas). I am not sure if they have figured out who will be throwing the ball but it seems they don't have that many targets to pick from. I do suspect they will be running a lot more than passing.

I think Ole Miss' is only returning one DE on defense out of everyone that played in the box. To add some experience on the line Nutt signed a couple of JC transfers at DT. He may be playing a freshman or two in the LB positions. They only have one JC transfer and one returning corner for the DBs. The BYU offense might just want to run the ball and the clock as much as possible, however.

Hopefully the heat will break early this year for BYU's benefit. Players like Ogletree may remember what it is like to play in heat and humidity but even he may not be used to it. The humid heat is one of the reasons I don't plan on making the trip up to Oxford (not to mention my son's game the night before).