Deadspin takes on the Honor Code

[DapperDan]

If they think it is crap because Derron Smith wrote it then they don't know Derron Smith.

Anyone that doesn't share a 100% glowing opinion of BYU and the LDS church is considered to be someone with an "axe to grind" by CB.

[TexTechCoug]

If they think it is crap because Derron Smith wrote it then they don't know Derron Smith.

No, it is crap because it is crap

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

If only CUF had the courage to address tough issues like race and the honor code.

With your help we can.

[UtahDan]

Wow. That was a flat out throttling, the kind that sends you running from the ring Forrest Griffin style. Whatever the reasons for them are, those numbers are very ugly.

[Surfah]

Wow. That was a flat out throttling, the kind that sends you running from the ring Forrest Griffin style. Whatever the reasons for them are, those numbers are very ugly.

This is nothing new. HBO and Gumbel's look at the honor code year's ago revealed the same.

[Flystripper]

No, it is crap because it is crap

Look, as others have said the guys getting interviewed all have much bitterness and only part of the bitterness is a result of the way in which the honor code is enforced. Should we ignore the problems of the honor code because those that are complaining about it are not telling the other side of the story?

Was the article biased and filled with a bunch of false statements that were not substantiated by other more "credible" sources? Yes. To be honest it is a shame, not because it puts BYU in a poor light, but because I believe that the problem of race and the honor code has merit and the message will likely be dismissed by BYU because of the problems with the article.

[wuapinmon]

In an email, Kerry Brown, a black Mormon attorney who has served in high-level church positions in New Orleans, says of the Davies situation: "If Davies violated the honor code by engaging in consensual pre-marital sex with his girlfriend, and if this action is so egregious so as to publicly ridicule him as an undisciplined, uncontrollable African-American athlete, why is he still a student at BYU? Why didn't he lose his status as a student? Why allow him to roam the campus at BYU and stand as a symbol to others that pre-marital sex is bad, but not really that bad? Although BYU is a private institution, I am concerned that their decision to selectively enforce the honor code may open the door to litigation. ... [A]thletes of color may consider litigation if statistics indicate that the university has a pattern of disciplining them in a manner different from their white counterparts. Anytime an institution by its practice engages in actions that creates a separate class of people, i.e. student athletes and non-student athletes, Mormons and non-Mormons, whether public or private, they run the risk of being challenged constitutionally. BYU's actions in the Davies case may open that door."

I know Kerry Brown really well; I almost hired him to represent me once. He's a good guy.

[YOhio]

I know Kerry Brown really well; I almost hired him to represent me once. He's a good guy.

This isn't the thread to namedrop, Wuap.

[UtahDan]

This is nothing new. HBO and Gumbel's look at the honor code year's ago revealed the same.

I guess I was vaguely aware of those, though I never watched them. I think the Brandon Davies thing puts an exclamation point on it. BYU is what it is, but I think white Mormon kids have a much better sense of what "is" entails. Whatever the reason is, black kids run into a lot of trouble there.

[cougjunkie]

This is nothing new. HBO and Gumbel's look at the honor code year's ago revealed the same.

This is great 7 of the players on their list who were kicked out for honor code violations, check out the source:

Steve Kessman, the father of another player suspended at the same time as Brooks, says an honor code issue was the cause.

They are using Steve Kessman as a source that is of course going to skew the numbers a bit.

[UtahDan]

They are using Steve Kessman as a source that is of course going to skew the numbers a bit.

What is the guy going to say that affects this:

[PaloAltoCougar]

Reading the Kerry Brown quote, I don't understand this line: If Davies violated the honor code by engaging in consensual pre-marital sex with his girlfriend, and if this action is so egregious so as to publicly ridicule him as an undisciplined, uncontrollable African-American athlete, why is he still a student at BYU?

Is he saying BYU the institution did this? I assume Davies is still a student precisely because BYU determined he is neither undisciplined nor uncontrollable. Is Brown targeting, as one should, the media and not the institution? I really don't get it.

[wuapinmon]

This isn't the thread to namedrop, Wuap.

Sorry, after reading that article, the professor in me notes a few problems:

1. the authors didn't even make an attempt to counter-balance their clearly editorialized dissection of the HC.

2. Many people will read this and believe it, despite the paucity of sourcing directly from BYU or the HC office.

3. It sounds like Tico Pringle was treated unjustly, but I'd like to know more before buying his version.

4. I would expect non-LDS players to get harsher penalties. It's not fair, but they don't have a bishop to shepherd them.

5. I'm not sending my kids to BYU unless the HC is revamped.

[wuapinmon]

Reading the Kerry Brown quote, I don't understand this line: If Davies violated the honor code by engaging in consensual pre-marital sex with his girlfriend, and if this action is so egregious so as to publicly ridicule him as an undisciplined, uncontrollable African-American athlete, why is he still a student at BYU?

Is he saying BYU the institution did this? I assume Davies is still a student precisely because BYU determined he is neither undisciplined nor uncontrollable. Is Brown targeting, as one should, the media and not the institution? I really don't get it.

I sense that he's targeting the institution.

[dabrockster]

What is the detail of Tico Pringle.. I read his comment and was very surprised by what he went through. Am I missing something?? I mean, his pregnant wife came to the meeting as well..