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  • SeattleUte
    Faith crisis consultant
    • Nov 2008
    • 20837

    #16
    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    What are your thoughts about how Majerus treated his players? Van Horn, Andre Miller and Alex Jensen are the exceptions, so they can't be mentioned.
    I think he made every one of them who bought into his system better players and people than they would otherwise have been with just about any other coach.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    • il Padrino Ute
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 19161

      #17
      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
      I think he made every one of them who bought into his system better players and people than they would otherwise have been with just about any other coach.
      How about those who didn't buy into his system?

      I personally know three players who did buy into his system and the things they've told me about how they were treated by him would cause a reasonable person to think that Majerus was a basketball genius but a sub-human asshole to his players.
      "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


      "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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      • kccougar
        9262
        • Nov 2008
        • 7020

        #18
        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
        I think the term "likable" is about PR. When in front of the media or with Utah boosters, Majerus was terrific and very likable.
        Yeah, the local media just loved Majerus
        "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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        • Goatnapper'96
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 10920

          #19
          Originally posted by kccougar View Post
          Yeah, the local media just loved Majerus
          That was only a conspiracy to pacify Zoobs.
          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
          -General George S. Patton

          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
          -DOCTOR Wuap

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          • Goatnapper'96
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 10920

            #20
            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
            How about those who didn't buy into his system?

            I personally know three players who did buy into his system and the things they've told me about how they were treated by him would cause a reasonable person to think that Majerus was a basketball genius but a sub-human asshole to his players.

            Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy - the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
            Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
            -General George S. Patton

            I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
            -DOCTOR Wuap

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            • il Padrino Ute
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 19161

              #21
              Originally posted by kccougar View Post
              Yeah, the local media just loved Majerus
              I suppose I should have specified national media.

              Personally, I loved that Majerus wouldn't kiss the kiesters of the local media. Nothing was more amusing to me than listening to local sports radio and the exploding heads of Kinnehan, Monson and the like. Poor local hacks. Majerus wanted his team on a bigger stage and the local guys knew that they didn't meet the criteria. Everyone in Utah already knew who the Utes were.
              "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


              "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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              • il Padrino Ute
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 19161

                #22
                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy - the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
                He'd roast those chestnuts as well. And not in the Dean Martin kind of way.
                "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                • SeattleUte
                  Faith crisis consultant
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 20837

                  #23
                  Originally posted by kccougar View Post
                  Yeah, the local media just loved Majerus
                  Liliputions.
                  When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                  --Jonathan Swift

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                  • LA Ute
                    Receiver of Memory
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 19512

                    #24
                    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                    Liliputions.
                    It's "Lilliputian," you cretinous wretch.
                    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                    ― W.H. Auden


                    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                    • RockyBalboa
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 2127

                      #25
                      Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                      How about those who didn't buy into his system?

                      I personally know three players who did buy into his system and the things they've told me about how they were treated by him would cause a reasonable person to think that Majerus was a basketball genius but a sub-human asshole to his players.
                      Britton Johnsen regrets not going BYU and loathed Majerus. Still does.

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                      • il Padrino Ute
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19161

                        #26
                        Originally posted by RockyBalboa View Post
                        Britton Johnsen regrets not going BYU and loathed Majerus. Still does.
                        I'm not surprised by this. But I'm glad he didn't have any regrets before he signed his letter of intent, ya know?
                        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                        "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                        • LA Ute
                          Receiver of Memory
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19512

                          #27
                          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                          Jack Gardner vs. Stan Watts

                          Jerry Pimm vs. Frank Arnold

                          Rick Majerus vs. Roger Reid

                          Kyle Whittingham vs. Bronco Mendenhall

                          Why in all the great rivalries between Utah and BYU coaches over the years have the Ute coaches been so much more likeable, full blooded, intrigueing people?
                          Stan Watts was a great guy, so I hope you are not implying anything negative about him. Gardner is a Utah hoops legend and I revere him, but he did occasionally make some "wince-producing" statements. I remember my junior high buddies who were BYU fans having a field day when Gardner said, about the Marriott Center, "Oh, they'll never get that thing built." That was in the Ernie Wilkinson era of oneupsmanship between BYU and Utah. Right after the Huntsman went up, Marriott went up, but larger. It was inevitable. To Ernie, size definitely mattered. (The JMHC remains a vastly superior place to watch a basketball game.)

                          Frank Arnold is the one BYU coach I could never stand.

                          Majerus is a complex guy. By happenstance I got to have dinner with him twice. Nicest guy in the world in that setting. A genuine person, and very straightforward. Now one of my law partners is a former Ute player under Majerus, and that has been an interesting perspective. I've talked to a few other former players who are in the category of "bought into his system" and "Majerus favorites," and they all seem to feel the same way: He taught them a lot and they were in awe of his coaching knowledge, but they were glad when it was over.

                          Bronco still seems to be figuring out how to function in the public eye, and under a unique kind of microscope. So far he comes across as sanctimonious. I'm not sure how he feels about that. Maybe he doesn't care. I would think even less of him if that's the case.
                          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                          ― W.H. Auden


                          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                          • SeattleUte
                            Faith crisis consultant
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 20837

                            #28
                            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                            It's "Lilliputian," you cretinous wretch.
                            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                            --Jonathan Swift

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                            • SeattleUte
                              Faith crisis consultant
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 20837

                              #29
                              Originally posted by RockyBalboa View Post
                              Britton Johnsen regrets not going BYU and loathed Majerus. Still does.
                              That would be surprising considering all he owes Majerus, including the incomparable experience of the 1998 Final Four. I doubt he's that big a fool
                              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                              --Jonathan Swift

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                              • LA Ute
                                Receiver of Memory
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 19512

                                #30
                                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                                To tell you the truth I think I would rather hang with Ron McBride or even Wayne Howard than Lavelle.
                                Actually, it would be terrific to have dinner with all three of them. I knew Wayne Howard and thought he was one of the sweetest, funniest guys I ever knew. He was fiery and emotional and did not control himself well, and that was his downfall. he also changed offenses every year while he was HC at Utah, but that's another story. But for his mercurial personality, I think Wayne could have been a very successful head football coach.
                                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                                ― W.H. Auden


                                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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