Best BYU QB of the 00s

[Surfah]

Hall for all the reasons Sizzle listed.

[Clark Addison]

I think it's pretty clear that Beck had the highest peak, but that Hall had more value over the entirety of his career, so depending on how you define "Best", it could be either of them.

[Surfah]

I think it's pretty clear that Beck had the highest peak, but that Hall had more value over the entirety of his career, so depending on how you define "Best", it could be either of them.

Of course. I also decided if I needed a QB for one drive with it all on the line, it would be Max over Beck.

[oxcoug]

Everyone who voted for Max Hall conveniently forgets everything that was stacked against Beck early in his career that Hall never had to worry about.

To me, this isn't a fair fight. John Beck was a million miles better than Hall. Go back and look at 2006 TCU. Max Hall never came close to having a game like that. There have been a lot of hyped BYU QBs who sulked and sissied out under adversity. Beck had to endure the worst turmoil the program ever endured, and the fire refined him into 24K gold.

You do have a point - Hall had a quality O line and a good team and stable coaching around him for three years. Obviously makes a huge difference.

[BoylenOver]

Jackson Brown.

[Surfah]

Jackson Brown.

[Indy Coug]

He was definitely Running on Empty

[DrumNFeather]

In hindsight, how much of Engy's failures do you put on him and how much do you put on Crowton?

At the time, it seemed like Engy was going under the bus for BYUs troubles, but it seems to me that Crowton completely mishandled that situation.

[Indy Coug]

In hindsight, how much of Engy's failures do you put on him and how much do you put on Crowton?

At the time, it seemed like Engy was going under the bus for BYUs troubles, but it seems to me that Crowton completely mishandled that situation.

Crowton mishandled it, but Engy was his own worst enemy. There was a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.

[Top Ute]

Marque win: Hall (over OU)
More wins: Hall
More TDs/Passing Yards: Hall
Best individual season: Beck
Higher ranked team: Hall
More wins over Utah: Hall

You forgot two:

Good sport: Beck (OK, that was jabbing the needle)
Ability to get his teammates better involved: Beck

If I applied the same parameters to Alex Smith and Brian Johnson, they would fall almost identically in favor of BJ, but that doesn't mean Johnson was the better QB.

The more wins over Utah is a facetious argument. Beck's worst game against Utah was on par with any of Hall's games against Utah, and he was pretty damn good in two others.

[Sizzle]

Good sport: Beck (OK, that was jabbing the needle)
Ability to get his teammates better involved: Beck

Better Competitor: Hall
Better NFL career: At this point, push
Better hair: Hall
More hated by Utah: Hall
Bigger crier: Beck
Better missionary: Beck
Better Scout Team player: Hall
Hotter wife: Push

[happyone]

FWIW, I guess I'll add to the consensious here

single season: Beck 2006
career - Hall '07 - '09

[scr29]

In hindsight, how much of Engy's failures do you put on him and how much do you put on Crowton?

At the time, it seemed like Engy was going under the bus for BYUs troubles, but it seems to me that Crowton completely mishandled that situation.

Crowton did mishandle the situation, but only after Engy mishandled the situation.

Engy 2002 is not like Jake Heaps 2010. Engemann should have stepped into the starters role and played with enough competence to keep the starting job. He had starting experience in 2000. He had a year to learn Crowton's system when he redshirted 2001.

As for the original question, I think you have to go hands down Hall.

The division over hall or beck strikes a nerve in me. We have all become NFL scouts. Beck was bigger, had a stronger arm, worse supporting cast ... and we ignore what happened on the field. Statistics don't mean every, but they do tell a lot.

Beck had a nice career and has his place in BYU football history, but if you are asking who was the better QB at BYU it was Hall.

[Indy Coug]

Beck 2007 to 2009 would have been better than Hall 2007 to 2009.

[Top Ute]

Beck 2007 to 2009 would have been better than Hall 2007 to 2009.

Seriously. Give Beck two years removed from the clutter of Crowton instead of just one, and you're probably talking about a strong Heisman candidate.

I will admit that I could be biased by how Beck grew in three years against Utah, and how Hall remained stagnant at best. Hell, you could make a strong argument that he got significantly worse. Now, that's just three games, but still ... I never saw the explosive growth out of Hall that I did in Beck.