Heaps Should Consider a Mission

[Jacob]

Given the huge correlation between missions and QB success, he'd be a fool not to consider it precisely for this reason.

Are you being sarcastic, or so you really think there is a correlation?

[Clark Addison]

Are you being sarcastic, or so you really think there is a correlation?

I am fine if Heaps wants to go on a mission. I am also fine if he doesn't. Going on a mission in order to become a better QB is not very smart.

And no, I don't think there is a (positive) correlation.

[MarkGrace]

What's crazy is that I read CB and everybody there is pimping him, saying what a great game he had. He's a true freshman with a lot of upside, but he's not close to being a good QB right now. Good QB's are good because they make big plays. Has he ever even converted a third and long?

If he made a throw that would otherwise convert a third and long, would anyone be able to catch it?

That throw to JJ in the endzone on 3rd and long is the kind of toss great QB's make. Of course we know the result.

(btw, not saying he's a great QB now, or even good, but I think he's better than any type of numbers reflect at this point)

[Non Sequitur]

(btw, not saying he's a great QB now, or even good, but I think he's better than any type of numbers reflect at this point)

Just make sure that when you adjust those numbers for passes our receivers have dropped, that you also take into account the number of passes he's thrown to defenders that have been dropped. He could easily have twice as many interceptions as he does now.

[Jacob]

I am not trolling, I'm just big on missions. Pres. M. said:



I think Ute players should go too. Didn't hurt Paul Kruger. I know the subject has been beaten to death here, it's just been a while since a president of the church has been this emphatic over the GC pulpit about the subject. (At least I think so.)

I'd guess its been a year. Maybe two. At least during priesthood session.

[MarkGrace]

Just make sure that when you adjust those numbers for passes our receivers have dropped, that you also take into account the number of passes he's thrown to defenders that have been dropped. He could easily have twice as many interceptions as he does now.

I'm not adjusting any numbers. I'm just noting that as a QB sometimes all you can do is make the throw. You could be the best QB in the world and never convert a third and long. You can't run out there and catch it too, unless you're Clark Kent.

[creekster]

Heaps looks tiny and weak, makes some bad reads and inaccurate throws, etc., but he looks the opposite of scared. Not sure what you guys are seeing but he seems remarkably poised in the pocket for a freshman.

Concur, except his arm doesn't look weak.

[Non Sequitur]

I realize that our receivers have missed a lot of balls that should have been caught, but the thing that concerns me most is that most of those drops occurred during very tight coverage. Either none of our receivers are getting open or Heaps is not throwing at the right time or he is not throwing to the open receivers or our passing schemes suck. I don't know which it is, but I've been struck by the infrequency of our receivers having any separation from their defenders.

[The Fourth Nephite]

I don't think a mission has ever done a skill position player any good. No thanks.

Darrell Bevell was a return missionary that had success at Wisconsin:

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Joe Germaine likewise had success at Ohio State:

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John Beck is good enought that he's still in the NFL. Max Hall served an abbreviated mission but with transferring and all, he had a long absence from the football field.

[Clark Addison]

Darrell Bevell was a return missionary that had success at Wisconsin:

Darrell Bevell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joe Germaine likewise had success at Ohio State:

Joe Germaine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Beck is good enought that he's still in the NFL. Max Hall served an abbreviated mission but with transferring and all, he had a long absence from the football field.

Was the evidence that the missions furthered their football careers somewhere in the links?

[MarkGrace]

I realize that our receivers have missed a lot of balls that should have been caught, but the thing that concerns me most is that most of those drops occurred during very tight coverage. Either none of our receivers are getting open or Heaps is not throwing at the right time or he is not throwing to the open receivers or our passing schemes suck. I don't know which it is, but I've been struck by the infrequency of our receivers having any separation from their defenders.

I was actually just wondering the same thing and am interested to hear from others some opinions. Our receivers very rarely seem to get open, but I don't know if it's on their end or just the fact that Heaps isn't finding them when they get open. Hoffman is the only guy that ever seems to be able to get much separation from his defender. Jacobsen almost always seems blanketed, but the dominant opinion here seems to be it's because he's a wuss and won't get physical with the defender.

[MarkGrace]

Darrell Bevell was a return missionary that had success at Wisconsin:

Darrell Bevell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joe Germaine likewise had success at Ohio State:

Joe Germaine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Beck is good enought that he's still in the NFL. Max Hall served an abbreviated mission but with transferring and all, he had a long absence from the football field.

Doman also went on a mission and had some success when he came back. But did a mission do them any good in terms of their development as football players? I seriously doubt it. If I could keep our players away from missions, I would absolutely do it in every instance. The dominant evidence seems to suggest there's a lot more to be lost than gained on a mission, despite what Rick Reilly says.

[The Fourth Nephite]

Was the evidence that the missions furthered their football careers somewhere in the links?

No, but it didn't seem to hurt them either. Back to Heaps, I see a ton of potential in him but he's a boy. We need a man for our QB.

[Portland Ute]

I think two years of aging and maturity would do him a world of good.

I don't know about aging and maturity, but that is certainly what President Monson suggested in his opening remarks of this conference.

[cougjunkie]

I was actually just wondering the same thing and am interested to hear from others some opinions. Our receivers very rarely seem to get open, but I don't know if it's on their end or just the fact that Heaps isn't finding them when they get open. Hoffman is the only guy that ever seems to be able to get much separation from his defender. Jacobsen almost always seems blanketed, but the dominate open here seems to be it's because he's a wuss and won't get physical with the defender.

We rarely get separation but it may have something to do with the fact that depending on where you line up each receiver is only running 1 maybe 2 routes. Think about this:

Hoffman- fade or quick hitch, have you seen him run anything else?
Jacobsen- fly pattern, or quick slant
Ashworth- quick hitch, fly pattern
TEs- shallow drag over the middle
Diluigi- flare for the checkdown, and the Harvey option route over the middle.

That is it, not hard to figure out what BYUs passing tree looks like.