Non-Conference Scheduling rumors

[Topper]

The other thing that I like to point out about BYU's 1984 NC is that pollsters were clearly under no obligation to rank BYU #1 if they thought they didn't deserve it.

Rutgers went undefeated in 1976 and didn't sniff the #1 spot. SMU was undefeated in 1982 (granted with a tie I believe) and got jumped by a team with a loss. Tulane and Marshall went undefeated in the 90s and nobody ranked them anywhere near #1 either as far as I recall.

Sometimes you hear people say stuff like "Well they had no choice but to rank BYU #1 even though everybody knew they didn't deserve it" and clearly that's not the case.

BYU got a huge bump early by defeating what would end up being a bad Pitt team. This year's team is crawling up the ladder as compared to that team. IIRC, we only ranked teams in the top twenty back then. The top 25 is a more recent phenomenon.

[Paperback Writer]

The other thing that I like to point out about BYU's 1984 NC is that pollsters were clearly under no obligation to rank BYU #1 if they thought they didn't deserve it.

Rutgers went undefeated in 1976 and didn't sniff the #1 spot. SMU was undefeated in 1982 (granted with a tie I believe) and got jumped by a team with a loss. Tulane and Marshall went undefeated in the 90s and nobody ranked them anywhere near #1 either as far as I recall.

Sometimes you hear people say stuff like "Well they had no choice but to rank BYU #1 even though everybody knew they didn't deserve it" and clearly that's not the case.

To me this is just a reminder that often teams need a little help to pull off a national championship. BYU certainly received that in 1984 and there's no shame in that. Often traditional powers need a little help to get into a position to play for a national championship. This was especially true before the BCS with conference tie-ins to Bowl games where competing teams for the national title too often didn't get to play one another. To be specific:

Rutgers in 1976 had no chance for a national title. Their schedule included 4 non-IA teams and 3 Ivy League teams alond with Navy, Louisville, Tulane, and Colgate who had the only winning record of those named teams. Not to mention 1976 featured Pittsburgh with a Heisman Tropy winner.

Undefeated Tulane in 1998 was part of the BCS era and went up against undefeated Tennessee and one-loss FSU for consideration for the championship game. Likewise, undefeated Marshall a year later in 1999 went up against undefeated FSU and VT for considerations for the BCS title game. So there's no surprise why 1998 Tulane and 1999 Marshall were not voted #1.

A good example of the pre-BCS era that is more revelant to 1984 BYU NC discussion is 1982 SMU. The Mustangs had a tie late in a season where Georgia was undefeated. Highly ranked Penn St. with one loss was independent then and could go to the Sugar Bowl to play Georgia for a national title leaving SMU with no shot at it. SMU had bad luck with the bowl draws and being ranked below a traditional power.

Another example is Penn St. The Nittany Lions went undefeated in 1968, 1969, and 1973 but did not play for or win a national title because of undefeated teams and conference bowl tie-ins. Specifically, 1968 Ohio St. played in the Rose Bowl; 1969 Texas opted to play Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl; and undefeated 1973 Alabama and Notre Dame squared off in the Sugar Bowl. If 1968 Ohio St. or 1969 Texas lose their bowl game, Penn St. most likely wins a national title. Things didn't fall Penn St.'s way until 1978 when they went undefeated again and had the chance to play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

In 1984, the cards just fell in place for BYU. BYU was fortunate that it only took one undefeated season to win a NC-it took a little longer for the stars to align for Penn St.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

To me this is just a reminder that often teams need a little help to pull off a national championship. BYU certainly received that in 1984 and there's no shame in that. Often traditional powers need a little help to get into a position to play for a national championship. This was especially true before the BCS with conference tie-ins to Bowl games where competing teams for the national title too often didn't get to play one another. To be specific:

Rutgers in 1976 had no chance for a national title. Their schedule included 4 non-IA teams and 3 Ivy League teams alond with Navy, Louisville, Tulane, and Colgate who had the only winning record of those named teams. Not to mention 1976 featured Pittsburgh with a Heisman Tropy winner.

Undefeated Tulane in 1998 was part of the BCS era and went up against undefeated Tennessee and one-loss FSU for consideration for the championship game. Likewise, undefeated Marshall a year later in 1999 went up against undefeated FSU and VT for considerations for the BCS title game. So there's no surprise why 1998 Tulane and 1999 Marshall were not voted #1.

A good example of the pre-BCS era that is more revelant to 1984 BYU NC discussion is 1982 SMU. The Mustangs had a tie late in a season where Georgia was undefeated. Highly ranked Penn St. with one loss was independent then and could go to the Sugar Bowl to play Georgia for a national title leaving SMU with no shot at it. SMU had bad luck with the bowl draws and being ranked below a traditional power.

Another example is Penn St. The Nittany Lions went undefeated in 1968, 1969, and 1973 but did not play for or win a national title because of undefeated teams and conference bowl tie-ins. Specifically, 1968 Ohio St. played in the Rose Bowl; 1969 Texas opted to play Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl; and undefeated 1973 Alabama and Notre Dame squared off in the Sugar Bowl. If 1968 Ohio St. or 1969 Texas lose their bowl game, Penn St. most likely wins a national title. Things didn't fall Penn St.'s way until 1978 when they went undefeated again and had the chance to play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

In 1984, the cards just fell in place for BYU. BYU was fortunate that it only took one undefeated season to win a NC-it took a little longer for the stars to align for Penn St.

Also don't forget 1 loss Oregon, which lost out on a chance to play for the championship to some team that couldn't even win their conference and gave up 60+ points getting blown out before "earning" the right to get blown out again.

[Donuthole]

Also don't forget 1 loss Oregon, which lost out on a chance to play for the championship to some team that couldn't even win their conference division and gave up 60+ points getting blown out before "earning" the right to get blown out again.

FIFY. Too bad Oregon never got a chance to show what it could have done to the team that put up 60 on the team that couldn't win its conference division.

[Paperback Writer]

Also don't forget 1 loss Oregon, which lost out on a chance to play for the championship to some team that couldn't even win their conference and gave up 60+ points getting blown out before "earning" the right to get blown out again.

FIFY. Too bad Oregon never got a chance to show what it could have done to the team that put up 60 on the team that couldn't win its conference division.

The stars just aligned right for Miami in 2001 because the Canes would have no doubt lost to the Mighty Ducks. But I agree that Nebraska had no business playing in the BCS title game that year.

[TripletDaddy]

Since we are clearing the air of ridiculous BCS championship game teams, lets revisit LSU making it despite having 2 losses and not being ranked #1 in either the AP or the coaches poll. not that i care that much...

[Paperback Writer]

Since we are clearing the air of ridiculous BCS championship game teams, lets revisit LSU making it despite having 2 losses and not being ranked #1 in either the AP or the coaches poll. not that i care that much...

Or OU in 2003 who played in the BCS title game after not winning their conference because they got blown out by KSU. Bob Stoops changed his tune rather quickly after being critical of a former conference rival who did something similar a couple of years prior. A big part of the problem back then was not everyone was playing conference championship games. So Nebraska could argue that they lost just as many conference games as Oregon in 2001 with neither playing in a CCG and OU could argue that they lost a CCG that USC didn't have to play in 2003. Now that the Big 12 is the only major conference not playing a CCG, I hope it bites them big time and is the impetus to add BYU.

[Omaha 680]

The stars just aligned right for Miami in 2001 because the Canes would have no doubt lost to the Mighty Ducks.

This is what I always think when this subject comes up. Yeah I guess Oregon is the one team with a legit gripe that year (although their one loss did come at home allowing half a hundred to a not that great Stanford). But I don't think the piano man would have done anything against that Miami defense.

[Blueintheface]

Is the USF H-H 2021/2022 rumor true? Was this already announced and I missed it?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Is the USF H-H 2021/2022 rumor true? Was this already announced and I missed it?

Yes, yes, and yes.

[byu71]

Is the USF H-H 2021/2022 rumor true? Was this already announced and I missed it?

Who is USF. I can't think of those initials fitting anyone in the Big 5 conferences.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Who is USF. I can't think of those initials fitting anyone in the Big 5 conferences.

University of Southern France. Mascot = Frogs.

[byu71]

University of Southern France. Mascot = Frogs.

That was my first thought too. However they are an elite Engineering school and therefor wouldn't have enough athletes to field a table tennis team.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That was my first thought too. However they are an elite Engineering school and therefor wouldn't have enough athletes to field a table tennis team.

Here you go:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+school+is+usf%3F

You are welcome.

[MarkGrace]

University of Southern France. Mascot = Frogs.

So that's the international roadie? I'll take it! A hot dog in a baguette with some brie, dijon mustard and a side of cornichons is exactly what I could go for right now.