A terrible realization about BYU

[KillerDog]

Agree, except the incremental revenue Utah's planning on getting with the move to the Pac is in the $20M range and the incremental revenue BYU will get going indy is probably $5M with $10M at the extreme high range.

Not true. $15mm and the cost from the stadium expansion is huge.

[creekster]

Eight years of posting on these boards, and the majority of BYU fans, both fair-minded and imbecilic, haven't caught on that those are the fans in the pinata at which I'm swinging.

Maybe, just maybe, and I really am going out ona limb here, it is becasue you post in response to the other fans posts instead of in response to the ones in the pinata.

[jay santos]

Not true. $15mm and the cost from the stadium expansion is huge.

I'm guessing taxpayer dollars will cover the stadium expansion. Which is inconsequential, because I'm sure there would be an ROI.

[falafel]

Eight years of posting on these boards, and the majority of BYU fans, both fair-minded and imbecilic, haven't caught on that those are the fans in the pinata at which I'm swinging.

I think you'll see (or at least you should have seen by now) that this board is not like those "other boards".

[falafel]

I agree, mostly -- it seems that BYU's desire to go indy is based mainly on a desire for more national exposure. But to say it "has nothing to do" with Utah seems a bit of a stretch.

We've been throught this before, haven't we? BYU's posturing was certainly precipitated by Utah's moving to the PAC. No doubt, everyone agrees, it would not be happening without Utah leaving.

But the idea that BYU's administration, or the BOT (the CHURCH), is sitting back saying "we've got to keep pace with Utah's authentic teams" is laughable. LAUGHABLE.

I realize you are probably not making that [very laughable] argument.

[Blueintheface]

Maybe, just maybe, and I really am going out ona limb here, it is becasue you post in response to the other fans posts instead of in response to the ones in the pinata.

Shhh...he's been painting with a broad brush for so long he doesn't know any other way.

[ERCougar]

I'm guessing taxpayer dollars will cover the stadium expansion. Which is inconsequential, because I'm sure there would be an ROI.

If there were an ROI, why didn't they do it already?

I guess maybe PAC 10 membership induces more interest in Utah football? That's a pretty big if, particularly if they turn into UA/ASU.

[LA Ute]

We've been throught this before, haven't we? BYU's posturing was certainly precipitated by Utah's moving to the PAC. No doubt, everyone agrees, it would not be happening without Utah leaving.

But the idea that BYU's administration, or the BOT (the CHURCH), is sitting back saying "we've got to keep pace with Utah's authentic teams" is laughable. LAUGHABLE.

I realize you are probably not making that [very laughable] argument.

I am not. But if I did I'd make it with style.

[Top Ute]

I think you'll see (or at least you should have seen by now) that this board is not like those "other boards".

It is and it isn't.

[Commando]

One of the most interesting things about the recent development is learning that Cougarboard really is a reflection of the mentality of BYU's leadership. It's a terrible realization.

Let's all be honest with ourselves, okay? BYU going independent is not based on any rational due dilligence. It's just a demonstration of its monstrous insecurity. BYU can't bear to be in a lesser conference than Utah. BYU is acting out like a child. BYU is as immature as a five year old.

Also, this flaky behavior only reinforces the concerns that have kept BYU out of a big conference. It can't help BYU get into the Big 12. BYU will make itself a laughingstock of the nation before this is over.

For starters, I'm sure every school in the MWC and the WAC hates BYU.

You love to think about BYU a lot, don't you? I bet you have a lot of "terrible realizations" about BYU completely not precipitated by or related to your leaving BYU's sponsoring institution. Good for you.. you are just the critical thinker you burn so many calories trying to convince the rest of us that you are!

[LA Ute]

If there were an ROI, why didn't they do it already?

I guess maybe PAC 10 membership induces more interest in Utah football? That's a pretty big if, particularly if they turn into UA/ASU.

If you're a praying man, I bet I know one of the things you pray for.

[statman]

BYU going independent is not based on any rational due dilligence. It's just a demonstration of its monstrous insecurity. BYU can't bear to be in a lesser conference than Utah. BYU is acting out like a child. BYU is as immature as a five year old.

lol!

You should do stand-up!

[statman]

You are a very angry person.

BTW, in case you haven't bothered to look around at a BYU game, BYU also has plenty of dick head fans and very little tradition.

You do win the larger fan base smack. Congratulations.

Edit: To be fair to cj, there seem to be a lot of angry people posting in this thread.

I'm glad football season is here. Talking about the actual game will be a welcome change.

Utah has GREAT traditions - sex dolls and inebriation, going all the way back to 2004!

[statman]

A couple of thoughts:

(1) I think it is clear Utah leaving the MWC has precipitated much of BYU's current movement.

(2) I think it is equally clear that the reason is not what Utah fans, as a population, believe.

This is not about BYU feeling like they have to keep up. This is about the tie that kept BYU in the MWC being severed. BYU and Utah have voted as a block and worked as a team for years. Plans were in place for BYU and Utah to continue to work together as a team. Those plans were disrupted by Utah going to the Pac-10. Now that the tie to the MWC is severed, BYU has had to start looking for their own best interest without concern for anyone else and that has resulted in the current exploration of independence and the continued discussions with the Big XII. This isn't about BYU jealousy or desire to play catchup. Truthfully, an independent BYU will make more profit over the next 5 years than a Pac-12 Utah. This is about BYU no longer feeling tied to the MWC and its poor payouts. The MWC has been an anchor around the necks of BYU, Utah, and TCU because the bottom tier schools don't care to make any effort.

BYU and Utah were the only teams with any value in the whole damned conference. TCU has a nice football program, but no fans. BYU started looking at independence ~ three years ago, and realized that financially, it was a no-brainer. But with Utah still in the MWC, loyalty kept us together.

As to money - unless BYU runs into scheduling problems that hurt them in the long-run (basically this would mean that the cozy relationship they've built with ESPN would have fallen apart), they'll likely make more money than Utah year-in and year-out. They're looking at $10 million a year as a conservative starting point for TV money, but it could be more than that, especially when you add in basketball TV / streaming revenue. And that doesn't include bowl money, which won't be shared with anyone. BYU could easily clear another $2 million a year just for going to the Holiday Bowl. Averaging $12 - $15 million a year is really not out of the question.

[Maximus]

BYU and Utah were the only teams with any value in the whole damned conference. TCU has a nice football program, but no fans. BYU started looking at independence ~ three years ago, and realized that financially, it was a no-brainer. But with Utah still in the MWC, loyalty kept us together.

As to money - unless BYU runs into scheduling problems that hurt them in the long-run (basically this would mean that the cozy relationship they've built with ESPN would have fallen apart), they'll likely make more money than Utah year-in and year-out. They're looking at $10 million a year as a conservative starting point for TV money, but it could be more than that, especially when you add in basketball TV / streaming revenue. And that doesn't include bowl money, which won't be shared with anyone. BYU could easily clear another $2 million a year just for going to the Holiday Bowl. Averaging $12 - $15 million a year is really not out of the question.

The problem is...now there is no where for the other sports to go.