Horned Frogs are lizards: BYU v TCU Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

My good friend took me. That was a lot of elevation gain,but the colors were beautiful. They do need a trail up to the top. That was too much bushwhacking for my liking. Maple Flat was nice too. I've never taken that Y mountain trail before beyond the top of the Y.

A couple of years ago my wife and I went up that trail and took a left to the top of Y mountain, then over to the flat, and down into Rock Canyon. In December! Really fun hike. But the snow got a little deep dropping into Rock Canyon,.

[Bo Diddley]

Not many posts about the game. Glad I was asleep during the game. Apparently I was in good company with the players.

[LiveCoug]

The Touchdown Club at the stadium was great. Other than that, I did not have a pleasant time at the game

[Maximus]

So...everyone mocking the arod needs to go

[Clark Addison]

There is plenty of blame to go around, but man, Slovis is an average, maybe above average, G5 QB. For the past three weeks Jake Hatch has proclaimed how awesome Slovis is. I've been quietly worried about his play almost all season. This isn't a knee jerk reaction from me. I'm not calling for QB2, it just is what it is. OL and WRs aren't helping him any. But, I'm kinda glad he won't be around last season.

Similar to Slovis, I think our offense and entire team, had a very misleading season performance coming into this game. Yes, we were 4-1. 2 wins were cupcakes. In the other two wins we were vastly outgained. We can't think that we're going to win every game like that. It's honestly going to be very trickly to get two more wins to be bowl elgible.

Slovis definitely had me shaking my head several times. Having said that, he is in a situation where:

1. There is basically zero threat in the running game
2. He does not have a lot of time to throw the ball and is often under pressure
3. His receivers, by and large, have trouble getting separation against good defenses

If you aren't a running qb, it is going to be very difficult to succeed in that situation unless you are Dan Marino Jr.

[byufan4ever]

Slovis definitely had me shaking my head several times. Having said that, he is in a situation where:

1. There is basically zero threat in the running game
2. He does not have a lot of time to throw the ball and is often under pressure
3. His receivers, by and large, have trouble getting separation against good defenses

If you aren't a running qb, it is going to be very difficult to succeed in that situation unless you are Dan Marino Jr.

I'm not arguing against any of this. But, anyone saying that Slovis is an NFL QB is drinking too much blue kool-aid.

[BlueK]

Slovis definitely had me shaking my head several times. Having said that, he is in a situation where:

1. There is basically zero threat in the running game
2. He does not have a lot of time to throw the ball and is often under pressure
3. His receivers, by and large, have trouble getting separation against good defenses

If you aren't a running qb, it is going to be very difficult to succeed in that situation unless you are Dan Marino Jr.

#1 definitely true.

But if he doesn't have enough time to throw it's more because of #3 than it is the line. The OL are awful run blockers but they can hold the pocket. Slovis just doesn't find anyone except the 5 yard or behind the line of scrimmage safety valve guy most of the time. Or if one of the other 4 happens to get open he doesn't see him.

[Omaha 680]

So...everyone mocking the arod needs to go

It would be a crazy overreaction when everyone was expecting 8-9 losses. Someone else (sorry can't remember who) noted that while he doesn't need Michael Vick, ARod does appear to need at least a qb who is a credible run threat to make his system work well, especially when the WR talent is not outstanding. Slovis is not that guy. Who is up next year?

[byufan4ever]

https://www.si.com/college/byu/footb...us-loss-to-tcu

The 10 Highest-Graded Players from BYU's Loss to TCU

60s - above average
70s - good game
80s - really good game; candidate for best game of the season
90s - awesome game; carried the team on his shoulders

1. Brayden Keim - 80.6
2. Chase Roberts - 80.0
3. Eddie Heckard - 73.4
4. Joshua Singh - 71.0
5. Kingsley Suamataia - 69.2
6. Mory Bamba - 68.4
7. Harrison Taggart - 68.2
8. Isaiah Bagnah - 67.5
9. John Nelson - 66.3
10. Parker Kingston - 65.9

I'm honestly surprised that anyone got a grade in the 80s. I like Chase Roberts, but I'm not sure how 3 catches for 64 yards gets an 80 rating. I would think that failing to get open would negatively impact your rating. Does that mean he was getting open and Slovis just wasn't seeing him?

[Maximus]

It would be a crazy overreaction when everyone was expecting 8-9 losses. Someone else (sorry can't remember who) noted that while he doesn't need Michael Vick, ARod does appear to need at least a qb who is a credible run threat to make his system work well, especially when the WR talent is not outstanding. Slovis is not that guy. Who is up next year?

I meam theres a reason utah fans dont care byu got him

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[Omaha 680]

I meam theres a reason utah fans dont care byu got him

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Now do 2021-2022 when he had a mobile QB. I'm not saying he is Lane Kiffin, but when he gets the right QB he has shown he can produce. As has been stated numerous times on this board in the "fire _____" conversations, BYU doesn't have the luxury of coordinators jumping at the chance to coach for us.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I meam theres a reason utah fans dont care byu got him

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I definitely was not mad when BYU hired ARod.

It isn't like anyone is going to do a good job as OC at Utah. Brian Johnson wasn't good and now he is an NFL OC. However, ARod was bad even for a Ute OC.

[Applejack]

I definitely was not mad when BYU hired ARod.

It isn't like anyone is going to do a good job as OC at Utah. Brian Johnson wasn't good and now he is an NFL OC. However, ARod was bad even for a Ute OC.

He was very average for us; he wasn't bad, relative to the others.

now, Brian Johnson was bad.

[Omaha 680]

He was very average for us; he wasn't bad, relative to the others.

now, Brian Johnson was bad.

Just say no to former star QBs with no real experience being hired as OC.

[smokymountainrain]

https://www.si.com/college/byu/footb...us-loss-to-tcu

The 10 Highest-Graded Players from BYU's Loss to TCU

60s - above average
70s - good game
80s - really good game; candidate for best game of the season
90s - awesome game; carried the team on his shoulders

1. Brayden Keim - 80.6
2. Chase Roberts - 80.0
3. Eddie Heckard - 73.4
4. Joshua Singh - 71.0
5. Kingsley Suamataia - 69.2
6. Mory Bamba - 68.4
7. Harrison Taggart - 68.2
8. Isaiah Bagnah - 67.5
9. John Nelson - 66.3
10. Parker Kingston - 65.9

I'm honestly surprised that anyone got a grade in the 80s. I like Chase Roberts, but I'm not sure how 3 catches for 64 yards gets an 80 rating. I would think that failing to get open would negatively impact your rating. Does that mean he was getting open and Slovis just wasn't seeing him?

we treat PFF like it's gospel, but the reality is it's a bunch of geeks in a room just giving their two cents on how they think a guy played. as fans we don't really have anything better, so i for one appreciate it, but at a certain level one has to take it with a grain of salt.