Remembering Scott Norberg

[oxcoug]

Do you know anything about his other than what you read on CB/CFU? The reason I ask is that in addition to all the crap you hear about him, he also led the charge to get a new state-of-the art jail built with maximum security, but also with classrooms, chapels, etc. I like the fact that he uses innovative, cheap methods (e.g., tent city) to prevent potentially dangerous criminals from being released due to lack of capacity in jail cells. Is he a bully? Absolutely. Does he hold political grudges? Yep. Is he divisive? Without a doubt. Is he effective? In my opinion, yes....and that's the bottom line.

All you have to do is not be a jackass while you're locked up, and you'll be just fine. For some, that's more difficult than it sounds. And for the record, I have friends who are MC Deputies and they swear they're not indoctrinated with some strange culture of violence. For the most part, they like the fact that their boss has their back when people push them to the edge and they have to protect themselves (which is something they don't enjoy, nor do they seek out such opportunities).

RS this line is obviously problematic: "Is he effective? In my opinion, yes...and that's the bottom line."

Hitler was hugely effective on several fronts. He revived the German economy at a time when every other economy was in shambles.

Lenin was "effective" - in that he eliminated most dissent and consolidated power for the Bolsheviks.

So effective for whom? To what end? And at what cost?

Being "effective" isn't enough in a public role in a democracy.

[SteelBlue]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/02/arizona.sheriff.justice.dept/index.html?hpt=T2

Justice Department civil rights lawyers filed suit against Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona on Thursday after talks collapsed on a deal to provide federal investigators with requested documents.

The suit, filed in federal court in Phoenix, Arizona, claims the Maricopa County sheriff has failed to cooperate with the investigation into alleged discrimination against Hispanics by Arpaio's law enforcement officials.

[KillerDog]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/02/...ex.html?hpt=T2

How surprising. I'm very surprised because he is so effective. How can someone so effective be abusing the civil and personal rights of individuals?

[krhunt2011]

The current state of our nation has brought Scott Norberg to the forefront of my mind.
I was just a kid in middle school back then (after Scott's time in college, back in Arizona). It seems so long ago, but the memories are still very clear. Scott was fun and kind. He helped me draw a bat for a school project I was working on, but not just any bat. Oh, no! He was too silly and a kid at heart for that. First, he drew a baseball bat. I whined, "not that kind of bat, a winged bat" so he added wings! His humor in his drawings went on for an hour! I eventually did the assignment myself, but the memory of that day with him still makes me smile to this day.
Another time, he was showing off his skateboarding skills to my brother and showed him what NOT to do, by breaking his ankle.
Scott's death was shocking and horrendous. The cover-up was just shameful. The title of this thread is "Remembering Scott Norberg" and that's what I intend to do. He is loved and missed. Rest in Peace

[BigPiney]

The current state of our nation has brought Scott Norberg to the forefront of my mind.
I was just a kid in middle school back then (after Scott's time in college, back in Arizona). It seems so long ago, but the memories are still very clear. Scott was fun and kind. He helped me draw a bat for a school project I was working on, but not just any bat. Oh, no! He was too silly and a kid at heart for that. First, he drew a baseball bat. I whined, "not that kind of bat, a winged bat" so he added wings! His humor in his drawings went on for an hour! I eventually did the assignment myself, but the memory of that day with him still makes me smile to this day.
Another time, he was showing off his skateboarding skills to my brother and showed him what NOT to do, by breaking his ankle.
Scott's death was shocking and horrendous. The cover-up was just shameful. The title of this thread is "Remembering Scott Norberg" and that's what I intend to do. He is loved and missed. Rest in Peace

Thank you.

[Donuthole]

Thanks for bumping this thread. I read the article in the OP again and was deeply saddened, yet again.

Also, the thread is a nice walk down memory lane, as GM established himself as captain Double Down very early in his CUF tenure: utterly convinced that the threat of $10M in attorneys fees (lol) was the driving factor in the settlement, in spite of the fact that no fewer than four (4) insurance defense attorneys were telling him he was out to lunch on that number and that it was likely closer to $400k. Yikes. Also defending Joe Arpaio unashamedly. Double Yikes.

[Topper]

Thanks for bumping this thread. I read the article in the OP again and was deeply saddened, yet again.

Also, the thread is a nice walk down memory lane, as GM established himself as captain Double Down very early in his CUF tenure: utterly convinced that the threat of $10M in attorneys fees (lol) was the driving factor in the settlement, in spite of the fact that no fewer than four (4) insurance defense attorneys were telling him he was out to lunch on that number and that it was likely closer to $400k. Yikes. Also defending Joe Arpaio unashamedly. Double Yikes.

The fact that Trump pardoned Arpaio is still shocking. That case and others reverberated and consistently haunts me.

The letter coupled with the timeline is very chilling.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-8-million-victim-6421396

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/murder-on-madison-the-norberg-remix-6445595

[Green Monstah]

Thanks for bumping this thread. I read the article in the OP again and was deeply saddened, yet again.

Also, the thread is a nice walk down memory lane, as GM established himself as captain Double Down very early in his CUF tenure: utterly convinced that the threat of $10M in attorneys fees (lol) was the driving factor in the settlement, in spite of the fact that no fewer than four (4) insurance defense attorneys were telling him he was out to lunch on that number and that it was likely closer to $400k. Yikes. Also defending Joe Arpaio unashamedly. Double Yikes.

I thought I deleted these posts.

Maybe Arpaio was always unhinged. Maybe he got worse as time wore on. I'm not sure, but as an adolescent, I was very much enamored with his no-nonsense approach to law enforcement.

I'm happy to admit I was wrong in my stance before. Scott Norberg was noncompliant. That's no reason to beat, maim, or kill him.

I think the real reason the settlement was 8.25mm is likely the missing evidence from the autopsy. You litigators can set me straight, but it seems like a straight forward instance of the plaintiff getting an adverse inference instruction, and implies that the department is thoroughly corrupt

Regardless, I am honestly mystified by some of my early stances on this board. Was I being a troll? Contrarian for the sake of argument? I'm not sure.

[Topper]

I thought I deleted these posts.

Maybe Arpaio was always unhinged. Maybe he got worse as time wore on. I'm not sure, but as an adolescent, I was very much enamored with his no-nonsense approach to law enforcement.

I'm happy to admit I was wrong in my stance before. Scott Norberg was noncompliant. That's no reason to beat, maim, or kill him.

I think the real reason the settlement was 8.25mm is likely the missing evidence from the autopsy. You litigators can set me straight, but it seems like a straight forward instance of the plaintiff getting an adverse inference instruction, and implies that the department is thoroughly corrupt

Regardless, I am honestly mystified by some of my early stances on this board. Was I being a troll? Contrarian for the sake of argument? I'm not sure.

I would probably be ashamed of forty percent of some of my past stances and posts. People change. Arpaio is and was evil, but for some those aspects weren't readily apparent. The Norberg case made me hate him from that moment on.

[Donuthole]

I thought I deleted these posts.

Maybe Arpaio was always unhinged. Maybe he got worse as time wore on. I'm not sure, but as an adolescent, I was very much enamored with his no-nonsense approach to law enforcement.

I'm happy to admit I was wrong in my stance before. Scott Norberg was noncompliant. That's no reason to beat, maim, or kill him.

I think the real reason the settlement was 8.25mm is likely the missing evidence from the autopsy. You litigators can set me straight, but it seems like a straight forward instance of the plaintiff getting an adverse inference instruction, and implies that the department is thoroughly corrupt

Regardless, I am honestly mystified by some of my early stances on this board. Was I being a troll? Contrarian for the sake of argument? I'm not sure.

Spoliation of evidence is is definitely something no attorney wants to have to explain at trial. But the adverse inference is on the lower end of spoliation sanctions and is not insurmountable. Whereas, each time I've been successful on spoilation and established a rebuttable presumption, the case has settled within a day.

Once, actually, the settlement happened as we walked out of the courtroom, 15 seconds after the judge issued his ruling. I had a pending Offer of Judgment on the table that could not be revoked and didn't expire for another week. As we walked out of the courtroom, opposing counsel said to me "Well, we're accepting your OJ. So I'll send the release over later this afternoon." I definitely wished in that moment that I didn't have a outstanding offer on the table (though I could not have predicted that we would get the rebuttable presumption--I was expecting an adverse inference as the sanction.)

[BigFatMeanie]

The current state of our nation has brought Scott Norberg to the forefront of my mind.
I was just a kid in middle school back then (after Scott's time in college, back in Arizona). It seems so long ago, but the memories are still very clear. Scott was fun and kind. He helped me draw a bat for a school project I was working on, but not just any bat. Oh, no! He was too silly and a kid at heart for that. First, he drew a baseball bat. I whined, "not that kind of bat, a winged bat" so he added wings! His humor in his drawings went on for an hour! I eventually did the assignment myself, but the memory of that day with him still makes me smile to this day.
Another time, he was showing off his skateboarding skills to my brother and showed him what NOT to do, by breaking his ankle.
Scott's death was shocking and horrendous. The cover-up was just shameful. The title of this thread is "Remembering Scott Norberg" and that's what I intend to do. He is loved and missed. Rest in Peace

This is one heck of a first post. Stick around.

RIP Scott, and I hope Joe Arpaio and Donald Trump both rot in hell.

[BigPiney]

This is one heck of a first post. Stick around.

RIP Scott, and I hope Joe Arpaio and Donald Trump both rot in hell.

POTD!

[Clark Addison]

I like to think that RedSox/GM fired up CougarUteForum on August 14, 2010, and sat in silence as he realized that in his fight for law and order, his biggest ally was the late, lamented Hallelujah. The shock of this realization drove a catharsis and purging that continues to ripple outward 10 years later, and have resulted in the GM we love today.

[All-American]

I would probably be ashamed of forty percent of some of my past stances and posts. People change. Arpaio is and was evil, but for some those aspects weren't readily apparent. The Norberg case made me hate him from that moment on.

I’m ashamed of most of my posts, past present and future.