The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[SeattleUte]

I've lived most of my life in Big 12 country and am a short drive from Big 12 HQ, which incidently, is far away from Palo Alto, CA. The Big 12 already has Baylor and TCU - this may be news to you, but in the bible belt being religious is not frowned upon. I think the incompetence of Big 12 leadership is a greater factor than any reluctance to add BYU. Besides, the Big 12 is run by Texas and OU and both schools have played BYU recently.

Or maybe Baylor and TCU have a bigger voice than I think (they don't) and hate BYU just as much as Stanford, but for different reasons. Sometimes it's hard to gauge who hates Mormons more: the Baptists in Waco or the atheists on the Farm in Palo Alto.

Religion per se is not the issue. But I think that religion has a similar standing in Austin as in Palo Alto.

[Donuthole]

This has nothing at all to do with why the Big 12 hasn't taken BYU. If it were about fan base, football history, the usual stuff, BYU would be a shoe in. The Big 12 will never invite BYU, and no play on Sunday is a perfect excuse.

I keep telling you guys that and I keep being proven right (the proof is in the pudding as they say, here the pudding being BYU's ostracization), but you won't face the facts. I remember when in the mid-seventies Stanford said it would have nothing to do with BYU and cancelled all scheduled games.

If they say that, they are using it incorrectly. There is no proof in the pudding. Why would you look there for proof? The expression is the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

SeattleUte wont respond to this. He hates being made to look foolish on matters of intellect. Misusing basic colloquialisms as a litigator...someone that makes a living speaking to others? lol

Let's not overlook this written gaffe. When litigators aren't making their living speaking to others, they are generally making it writing to others.

[Paperback Writer]

Religion per se is not the issue. But I think that religion has a similar standing in Austin as in Palo Alto.

I'm not so sure. Sure folks in Austin vote democratic as they do in Palo Alto but they still show up to church on Sunday. Except for all those hippies who hitch hiked their way to Austin from California.

[SeattleUte]

I misspelled venn diagram the other day. You guys all missed it and it was a test. You're ignorant!

[SeattleUte]

I'm not so sure. Sure folks in Austin vote democratic as they do in Palo Alto but they still show up to church on Sunday. Except for all those hippies who hitch hiked their way to Austin from California.

I think all university cultures bear similarities that are relevant here. There is a history of TCU and Baylor running with this crowd, they are family. TCU and Baylor were in the SW Conference. Just as Utah would not itself keep BYU out of the Pac 12, even though BYU is in many respects offensive and embarrassing to the Utah community. Then you have the history of intolerance associated with BYU that doesn't exist with respect to TCU and Baylor, even if there is intolderance there. TCU and Baylor also play on Sunday. Bottom line is that even as American protestant relidgous schools go there's an aura of craziness about BYU that TCU and Baylor lack, even if it's mainly just perceptions. Perceptions matter. Finally, people with the Austin mindset may think that the B12 has enough weird religious schools. (FWIW, I once went to a Pepperdine fundraiser when Ken Starr was there before he went to Baylor; they served alcohol.)

Don't kill the messenger. I'm merely characterizing others' views which are not necessarily my own.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm merely characterizing others' views which are not necessarily my own.

Haha. Well done.

[Blueintheface]

I for one hold SU at his word that he believes BYU will one day be in the a big boy conference.

[Green Monstah]

Bullshit.

Lol. It is a stain on BYU's reputation that CU was actually poached from a P5 to go to the PAC 12, and they get to play Utah every year in the RMO Cup, but we had to go Indy in order to stay relevant.

[TripletDaddy]

I think all university cultures bear similarities that are relevant here. There is a history of TCU and Baylor running with this crowd, they are family. TCU and Baylor were in the SW Conference. Just as Utah would not itself keep BYU out of the Pac 12, even though BYU is in many respects offensive and embarrassing to the Utah community. Then you have the history of intolerance associated with BYU that doesn't exist with respect to TCU and Baylor, even if there is intolderance there. TCU and Baylor also play on Sunday. Bottom line is that even as American protestant relidgous schools go there's an aura of craziness about BYU that TCU and Baylor lack, even if it's mainly just perceptions. Perceptions matter. Finally, people with the Austin mindset may think that the B12 has enough weird religious schools. (FWIW, I once went to a Pepperdine fundraiser when Ken Starr was there before he went to Baylor; they served alcohol.)

Don't kill the messenger. I'm merely characterizing others' views which are not necessarily my own.

Texas was the last all-white team to win the national championship....in 1969. They didnt really integrate until the 70s, well behind the times. Again, thank you for bringing up reasons why BYU's invite to the b12 is inevitable.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I think all university cultures bear similarities that are relevant here. There is a history of TCU and Baylor running with this crowd, they are family. TCU and Baylor were in the SW Conference. Just as Utah would not itself keep BYU out of the Pac 12, even though BYU is in many respects offensive and embarrassing to the Utah community. Then you have the history of intolerance associated with BYU that doesn't exist with respect to TCU and Baylor, even if there is intolderance there. TCU and Baylor also play on Sunday. Bottom line is that even as American protestant relidgous schools go there's an aura of craziness about BYU that TCU and Baylor lack, even if it's mainly just perceptions. Perceptions matter. Finally, people with the Austin mindset may think that the B12 has enough weird religious schools. (FWIW, I once went to a Pepperdine fundraiser when Ken Starr was there before he went to Baylor; they served alcohol.)

Don't kill the messenger. I'm merely characterizing others' views which are not necessarily my own.

I'm hanging out at home today with the kids and Hawk just came in from the toy room and saw SU's avatar and said "Is that Jesus? Because I can see his weiner"

[Blueintheface]

I'm hanging out at home today with the kids and Hawk just came in from the toy room and saw SU's avatar and said "Is that Jesus? Because I can see his weiner"

[YOhio]

I'm hanging out at home today with the kids and Hawk just came in from the toy room and saw SU's avatar and said "Is that Jesus? Because I can see his weiner"

Hopefully you explained to him that it was a Rodin sculpture and the day BYU let's him in we will be admitted to the Big 12.

http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...l=1#post680420

[SeattleUte]

Hopefully you explained to him that it was a Rodin sculpture and the day BYU let's him in we will be admitted to the Big 12.

http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...l=1#post680420

I stand by this. That was well said.

[Northwestcoug]

I stand by this. That was well said.

Wait, Rodin was let in, wasn't he?

Maybe not his provocative pieces, but at least he was in. I'm sure there are a few people in the B12 programs that might frown on The Kiss as well...

[YOhio]

I'm sure there are a few people in the B12 programs that might frown on The Kiss as well...

They're probably more upset with the sculptures that show dancing.