The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[New Mexican Disaster]

Do you guys think it is too late for the USPS to get involved?

The Texas legislature will never allow that to happen.

[SeattleUte]

Is anyone other than the Deseret News talking about BYU as a B12 prospect? I think BYU has lost ground since independence.

[SCcoug]

Is anyone other than the Deseret News talking about BYU as a B12 prospect?

Yes.

[falafel]

Or what about those places that offer same day MTC service.

[Omaha 680]

Do you guys think it is too late for the USPS to get involved?

If they do we are screwed. They recently started Sunday delivery.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

If they do we are screwed. They recently started Sunday delivery.

Take your doom and gloom elsewhere, this is a positive space.

[originalsocal]

Guys! Remember Santa!

[Bo Diddley]

Is anyone other than the Deseret News talking about BYU as a B12 prospect? I think BYU has lost ground since independence.

Independence gives BYU a unique leg up on the competition.

[RC Vikings]

http://www.si.com/college-football/2...future-options

That’s probably the worst idea. While the Big 12 still might want to add a title game -- more on that later -- scooping up two schools from the above list would only result in less money for everyone currently in the league, a diluted football product and more travel headaches for the non-football teams. Expansion is a viable solution only if it makes financial sense, and a 12-team Big 12 would need to be able to command about $50 million more a year in media rights fees to allow the current members to break even. No two schools from that list, even when combined with the money a championship game would bring, would convince ESPN and FOX to pony up that much more money.

This article was not a positive one about expansion.

[wapiti]

http://www.si.com/college-football/2...future-options



This article was not a positive one about expansion.

Here's what they don't take into account. The current contract was in 2011 and the value of live sports has increased since then. So getting the opportunity to renegotiate early could help fill the gap. But not even taking that into account here's the math.

Big 12 teams get $23MM for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights. Assume $10MM for the championship game and the number each school needs to bring is $18MM.

BYU gets $7MM for 5 home games. Many of those games are not all that attractive. If BYU drops the one game on BYUTv requirement, they have 6 games to offer the Big 12 media partners. BYU can add a guarantee that they won't play any FCS opponents. This guarantees that they can offer a minimum of 6 home games that are much better than the current 5 games ESPN is getting. Assume the value of a home game goes from $1.4 MM/game to $2MM/game and that's $14MM that BYU brings to the table in just football.

The $4MM gap is easily made up basketball rights, ticket sales, and BYU taking a smaller cut in the media deal for the first several years in the league. There is also money left on the table when the Big 12 doesn't make the playoff because it has fewer teams in the league.

BYU can carry its load. The question is whether there is another school that can carry one too.

[ERCougar]

http://www.si.com/college-football/2...future-options



This article was not a positive one about expansion.

That article is also dumb.
Of course they shouldn't expand if the ncaa lets them have a championship game. This is not an original thought.
He does acknowledge the possibility that they won't at the end, but then suggests they schedule tougher ooc games? Every computer ranking suggests that SOS was not TCU's problem. Even after all of the CCGs (and TCUs dumb game), they still are a solid #3. There was nothing rational about their exclusion.

[Paperback Writer]

BYU can carry its load. The question is whether there is another school that can carry one too.

Agree. And I question whether another school "needs to carry its load". Are Utah and Colorado carrying their load in the PAC-12? What about Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G? I would even question Missouri in the SEC carrying their load. The Big 12 keeps making the argument that additional schools will cause existing members to take smaller slices of the pie. That's the wrong view. They need to look at how big they can make the pie.

When Colorado and Nebraska left the Big 12, the conference's response was: "more $$$ for the rest of us". It wasn't the PAC-12 and Big Ten have just expanded their pies at our expense. At that point, the Big 12 should have added BYU and TCU. But all the Big 12 could focus on was how much bigger their pie slices had become since the networks didn't force then to renegotiate their TV contracts. Then Missouri and Texas A&M leave and the Big 12 responds by doing the minimum: adding TCU and West Virginia. They should have also added Louisville and BYU. I question whether the Big 12, or more accurately, the SWC II will ever figure it out.

[Uncle Ted]

Agree. And I question whether another school "needs to carry its load". Are Utah and Colorado carrying their load in the PAC-12? What about Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G? I would even question Missouri in the SEC carrying their load. The Big 12 keeps making the argument that additional schools will cause existing members to take smaller slices of the pie. That's the wrong view. They need to look at how big they can make the pie.

When Colorado and Nebraska left the Big 12, the conference's response was: "more $$$ for the rest of us". It wasn't the PAC-12 and Big Ten have just expanded their pies at our expense. At that point, the Big 12 should have added BYU and TCU. But all the Big 12 could focus on was how much bigger their pie slices had become since the networks didn't force then to renegotiate their TV contracts. Then Missouri and Texas A&M leave and the Big 12 responds by doing the minimum: adding TCU and West Virginia. They should have also added Louisville and BYU. I question whether the Big 12, or more accurately, the SWC II will ever figure it out.

I think the B12 is definitely better off without Colorado.

[SeattleUte]

Agree. And I question whether another school "needs to carry its load". Are Utah and Colorado carrying their load in the PAC-12? What about Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G? I would even question Missouri in the SEC carrying their load. The Big 12 keeps making the argument that additional schools will cause existing members to take smaller slices of the pie. That's the wrong view. They need to look at how big they can make the pie.

When Colorado and Nebraska left the Big 12, the conference's response was: "more $$$ for the rest of us". It wasn't the PAC-12 and Big Ten have just expanded their pies at our expense. At that point, the Big 12 should have added BYU and TCU. But all the Big 12 could focus on was how much bigger their pie slices had become since the networks didn't force then to renegotiate their TV contracts. Then Missouri and Texas A&M leave and the Big 12 responds by doing the minimum: adding TCU and West Virginia. They should have also added Louisville and BYU. I question whether the Big 12, or more accurately, the SWC II will ever figure it out.

This has nothing at all to do with why the Big 12 hasn't taken BYU. If it were about fan base, football history, the usual stuff, BYU would be a shoe in. The Big 12 will never invite BYU, and no play on Sunday is a perfect excuse.

I keep telling you guys that and I keep being proven right (the proof is in the pudding as they say, here the pudding being BYU's ostracization), but you won't face the facts. I remember when in the mid-seventies Stanford said it would have nothing to do with BYU and cancelled all scheduled games.

[SeattleUte]

I think the B12 is definitely better off without Colorado.

Bullshit.