The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Pelado]

That would be pretty awesome.

"Touchdowns will be scored, hearts will be warmed, and testimonies strengthened."

[UtahDan]

Interesting.

So I guess it is fair to say that full shares out of the gate are the rare exception. Only select schools are equal partners from the start.

I wonder what will happen to BYU..........

The Big 12 is a unique example in that it has lost two of its members to greener pastures. That was not true for the Big 10, Pac 12, SEC or ACC when they all expanded recently. Filling empty seats is necessity for the Big 12 if it is to remain viable. Adding schools was a luxury for those others. I wouldn't call the Big 12 desperate, but it certainly is in a more needy position if it is to survive than were those other conferences.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Ute fans have already apparently made huge financial concessions to facilitate the entry into the PAC12 by Colorado, a school with which Utah has had essentially the same historical relationship as it has had with, say, Babson College. Surely they would be far more inclined to facilitate the entry into the Big12 by BYU, with whom they've enjoyed a rich and loving relationship for over a century.

Interesting.

List of most common Utah Football opponents (times played):

1. Utah State (109)
2. BYU (86 - 92 if you count games as BYA)
3. Wyoming (83)
4. Colorado State (79)
5. Colorado (57)

etc.

Utah 'leveraged' its way into the PAC by accepting the graduated payment scale. Of course the fact that Utah's take from the PAC-12 championship game will be greater than the MWC TV contract makes it an easy decision.
Conversely you could say that Utah 'went independent' (financially) for 2 years, followed by full fellowship into the CoC.

[Viking]

Anyone that is worried about BYU rejecting an offer needs to remember two things.

1. The Big 12 would mean a lot more money.
2. BYU and the church loves money.

YES!

I love money

[SoCalCoug]

I think BYU is not leveraging anything. I am of the opinion that an agreement has been reached and BYU is just waiting sure they are going to join a conference that will continue to exist.

And what people are hearing are the residuals from BYU's use of the walk-away leverage. The weakest party in a negotiation is the one who wants it the most. So to some extent, BYU has to give off the impression that they don't want the Big 12 as much as they really do - or else they give an undue advantage to the conference.

[oxcoug]

YES!

I love money

[byu71]

The Big 12 is a unique example in that it has lost two of its members to greener pastures. That was not true for the Big 10, Pac 12, SEC or ACC when they all expanded recently. Filling empty seats is necessity for the Big 12 if it is to remain viable. Adding schools was a luxury for those others. I wouldn't call the Big 12 desperate, but it certainly is in a more needy position if it is to survive than were those other conferences.

Here is a bit of a difference. Where is a PAC12 member going to go. It isn't like there is a BCS conference west of Cal., Oregon and Wash. Going East you have to go through the Mtn West before you hit another one.

Plus, I think more than all but the Big East, you can be pretty shitty and get away with it easier in the PAC 12. I think those Universities pretty much were behind the move to have children not keep score and give everyone the same trophy whether you finished first or last.

[Goatnapper'96]

Here is a bit of a difference. Where is a PAC12 member going to go. It isn't like there is a BCS conference west of Cal., Oregon and Wash. Going East you have to go through the Mtn West before you hit another one.

Plus, I think more than all but the Big East, you can be pretty shitty and get away with it easier in the PAC 12. I think those Universities pretty much were behind the move to have children not keep score and give everyone the same trophy whether you finished first or last.

LOL! This is the primary reason why I just cannot fathom Texas or OU in the Pac. I can see some drunk late 30's grad of Texas law who is a wealthy partner at some Dallas Big Oil law firm being pissed that the Berkley fans are unable to carry a decent conversation about NASCAR. East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Plus, I think more than all but the Big East, you can be pretty shitty and get away with it easier in the PAC 12. I think those Universities pretty much were behind the move to have children not keep score and give everyone the same trophy whether you finished first or last.

There may be a lot of truth to this.

However, what is the likelihood we will see equal profit sharing in the 'new' Big 12?

[byu71]

There may be a lot of truth to this.

However, what is the likelihood we will see equal profit sharing in the 'new' Big 12?

I don't care, the church has unlimited taxing authority.

[creekster]

LOL! This is the primary reason why I just cannot fathom Texas or OU in the Pac. I can see some drunk late 30's grad of Texas law who is a wealthy partner at some Dallas Big Oil law firm being pissed that the Berkley fans are unable to carry a decent conversation about NASCAR. East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.

Except those good ol' boys in Dallas dont particualry care for the east coasters, either. East is east and west is west and they want both of them the hell out of Texas.

[Uncle Ted]

The rumor on Tigerboard is Mizzou is looking at the Big Ten. I thought the Big Ten turned them down last year. It seems Mizzou is may be evaluating all its options before signing a six year commitment.

Edit: and there is this...

According to both Nashville and Birmingham radio stations w/couple different SEC sources.

Mizzou President leans to sticking w/Big 12, but growing "large donor" support to make the move. Know I'm tagging on Chip's report today, but these guys are usually fairly plugged in on SEC moves. Seems the conf NOW wants to move quickly on #14.

Apparently decision will be made by end of this week.

[SeattleUte]

"Nebraska won’t receive a full share of Big Ten revenue immediately. Chancellor Harvey Perlman and Delany declined to say in what year Nebraska would receive a full revenue share, which amounted to about $20 million per Big Ten school last year."

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colle...e-big-ten.html

Smackdown! Of course this makes perfect sense. It's what happens in every other walk of life, law firm partnerships, etc. But 3D is such a windbag. Notice he doesn't even apologize.

[Cougarmandias]

You can buy anything in this world with money.

Make friends of the mammon of unrighteousness. Advice straight from the horse's mouth.

[KillerDog]

Anyone that is worried about BYU rejecting an offer needs to remember two things.

1. The Big 12 would mean a lot more money.
2. BYU and the church loves money.

THIS!!!