The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[SteelBlue]

I wonder if Holmoe and BYU are feeling the heat. People are complaining that they are sitting on their hineys doing nothing.

If they leave hints that they are working on something, they won't get so much heat.

This is the conclusion I've come to for now.

[SeattleUte]

This is the conclusion I've come to for now.

Once again their PR sucks, and sets them up to potentially look worse (it is also just a bunch of gaseous generalizations).

They should be saying, "We're happy where we are right now. The Pac 10 was not for us. We can win a NC in the MWC. In fact, Boise can win one this year, Utah and TCU came close. We won a NC in the WAC. Harvard doesn't complain about not being in a BCS conference, becuase Harvard made choices that put it where it is. We're the same, and BYU is proud of what it is. But we're always open to opportunities that might help BYU."

Morons. They just make themselves and BYU look sad.

[CardiacCoug]

Once again their PR sucks, and sets them up to potentially look worse (it is also just a bunch of gaseous generalizations).

They should be saying, "We're happy where we are right now. The Pac 10 was not for us. We can win a NC in the MWC. In fact, Boise can win one this year, Utah and TCU came close. We won a NC in the WAC. Harvard doesn't complain about not being in a BCS conference, becuase Harvard made choices that put it where it is. We're the same, and BYU is proud of what it is. But we're always open to opportunities that might help BYU."

Morons. They just make themselves and BYU look sad.

Yeah, BYU should frequently compare itself to Harvard. That comparison is totally realistic and is great PR.

[LA Ute]

I wonder if Holmoe and BYU are feeling the heat. People are complaining that they are sitting on their hineys doing nothing.

If they leave hints that they are working on something, they won't get so much heat.

But if they get expectations up by making tantalizing statements, there will be a lot of anger if nothing happens.

[SeattleUte]

Yeah, BYU should frequently compare itself to Harvard. That comparison is totally realistic and is great PR.

There's nothing wrong with a little brashness right now; the point of the analogy isn't that BYU is the same as Harvard. It's that like Harvard, BYU has make value judgments about its make up that have driven its exclusion from a BCS conference (so far) independent of football factors.

lol They don't stand up for the courage of their convictions even when it's the easy, PR savvy thing to do! Dissembling is like second nature to them. This is the main reason I can't respect them.

[Jeff Lebowski]

But if they get expectations up by making tantalizing statements, there will be a lot of anger if nothing happens.

Yeah, that is why they should keep their mouths shut either way.

[OrangeUte]

Gordon Monson wrote an interesting article on BYU and the options it has.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars...-utah.html.csp

[LiveCoug]

LA Ute is a warthog faced buffoon!

http://www.utefans.net/message.php?i...message1031192

[myboynoah]

On this logic why would the Pac 10 have wanted Texas and Oklahoma? Why would Utah have wanted to be in the Pac 10?

The shools don't care about this. First, they know when they're in anew conference the situation will be different, incluidng recruiting opportunities. Second, the administrators, who make the decisions (in contrast to the coaches), caser only about the financial package, prestige of the conference, etc.

Brilliant!

It is painfully obvious that there is a significant difference between what a school brings to a conference and what a conference brings to a school. It is also painfully obvious that UT and Ut are at very opposite ends of that spectrum.

[SeattleUte]

Brilliant!

It is painfully obvious that there is a significant difference between what a school brings to a conference and what a conference brings to a school. It is also painfully obvious that UT and Ut are at very opposite ends of this spectrum.

This might really offend me if it made any sense at all.

You said why should Texas want to go to the SEC because it would be harder to win the conference? BRILLIANT!!! NOT!!! That would have no impact on Texas' decision. It just wouldn't.

[LA Ute]

LA Ute is a warthog faced buffoon!

http://www.utefans.net/message.php?i...message1031192

Just askin' questions. I admit I don't know the answers, you miserable vomitous mass. When Monson says this:

BYU, in part by way of the organization that owns it, not only has its reach and can use it, but also wields considerable economic heft by way of its national audience and drawing power. It is a valuable franchise.

I just wonder what the factual basis for it is. I've posted here before that as far as TV goes, the only evidence I know of doesn't support Monson's statement. I don't know about how many fannies BYU puts in opposing teams' stadiums (stadia?). Are there data on that?

[SeattleUte]

Just askin' questions. I admit I don't know the answers, you miserable vomitous mass. When Monson says this:



I just wonder what the factual basis for it is. I've posted here before that as far as TV goes, the only evidence I know of doesn't support Monson's statement. I don't know about how many fannies BYU puts in opposing teams' stadiums (stadia?). Are there data on that?

Let's cut to the chase. BYU is football worthy for Big 12-2 admission, including, its economics pencil out. Here are some reasons why BYU hasn't been invited and may not be: 1) cultural factors/similar reasons to why the Pac 10 wasn't interested (yes, Texas, TAMU, and Oklahoma--especially Texas--have more in common with Pac 12 titans than does BYU); 2) location (BYU is way out there, on the other side of the mnts.); 3) politics (probably more TCU/SMU/Houston/Arkansas and the like's alumni or boosters have Texas' ear than do BYU's); 4) no worthy travel partner; 5) Texas might want to make it work with 10 teams because of reasons 1)-4) and money, and just because it can.

Those are a few reasons that come to mind.

[LA Ute]

Let's cut to the chase. BYU is football worthy for Big 12-2 admission, including, its economics pencil out. Here are some reasons why BYU hasn't been invited and may not be: 1) cultural factors/similar reasons to why the Pac 10 wasn't interested (yes, Texas, TAMU, and Oklahoma--especially Texas--have more in common with Pac 12 titans than does BYU); 2) location (BYU is way out there, on the other side of the mnts.); 3) politics (probably more TCU/SMU/Houston/Arkansas and the like's alumni or boosters have Texas' ear than do BYU's); 4) no worthy travel partner; 5) Texas might want to make it work with 10 teams because of reasons 1)-4) and money, and just because it can.

Those are a few reasons that come to mind.

I still hope they are invited. The plain fact is, BYU's teams are competitive across the board (in football they are superior to least 6 of the 10 Big 12 teams and would beat them every year) and their facilities probably match up very well too (better than most of the Big 12, I'll wager). The hurdles you mention can be cleared. I'm just questioning the claim that Monson and so many people seem to assume is a strong one - that BYU automatically brings a large national fan following with it. Maybe that's true, but should be numbers supporting such a claim. (Note: I am not arguing anything here about Utah's comparative numbers in this area, because they are not making any claims about a large nationaL following.)

[Uncle Ted]

A comment this morning from Chip Brown on OrangeBloods in a thread about adding BYU:

I've gotten e-mails from BYU fans asking me to put in a good word for the Cougars in the Big 12. ... Seriously.

Maybe Chip got a copy of BYU's Resume.

[Indy Coug]

Why would BYU fans think Chip has the power to put in a good word for BYU, let alone a school that he has absolutely no interest in to begin with?

Good grief.